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1 posted on 01/03/2012 11:07:22 AM PST by bamahead
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2 posted on 01/03/2012 11:12:58 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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but the agency won’t say much about its criteria.

Their criteria are;
Any weapon in the hands of a citizen that they feel they cannot out gun...capacity, caliber, etc...is illegal.

3 posted on 01/03/2012 11:16:02 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Some folks need an education...don't give up or we'll lose the Nation - Grand Funk Railroad)
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People have been bankrupted after getting an approval letter and then manufacturing, only to be told the gun is illegal and all must be destroyed at manufacturers’ expense. End the BATFE.


5 posted on 01/03/2012 11:19:31 AM PST by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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“Mr. Sanders said that submitting a weapon for testing is a “costly and lengthy process” that would not be necessary if the ATF wrote detailed regulations. For example, he said, there are no written regulations on how to modify a machine gun made before a ban went into effect in 1986”

Well the obvious immediate solution is to just READ THE LAW and follow it, then we don’t need the ATF. “regulations” are LAWS and therefore must only be written and passed by congress. Anything the BATFE does with regulations is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

It’s time for the pro gun movement to go for the jugular and demand the defunding of the BATFE. We need to go on the offensive. Go after the unconstitutionality of all federal gun laws and their enforcement mechanisms.


6 posted on 01/03/2012 11:22:35 AM PST by precisionshootist
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One common trait I’ve noticed in ATF and IRS agents is the unwillingness to say anything definitive. They tell you to read the statute (which is purposefully vague) and refuse to give answers to direct finite questions.


7 posted on 01/03/2012 11:36:55 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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Mr. Sanders said that submitting a weapon for testing is a “costly and lengthy process”

...To the manufacturer...

Need we say anything more???


9 posted on 01/03/2012 11:43:21 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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Tyranny is whim.


22 posted on 01/03/2012 3:18:16 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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G-man: “What do we do?”

Burt Gummer: “You do what you do best: find something simple and complicate it!”

From Tremors 3. Tells you everything you need to know about government agencies.


29 posted on 01/03/2012 4:24:49 PM PST by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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Robert E. Sanders, an ATF official for 24 years who is now a North Carolina lawyer specializing in firearms matters, said letter rulings are often “definitely contradictory and inconsistent,” but are necessary because the regulations being applied are ill-defined.

“It is hard to tell what ATF wants you to do without submitting your product and asking for a letter ruling,” he said. “You can’t tell what the agency has said in the past to others, because those letter rulings are generally secret. How could somebody know how to comply with the law?”

These are all signs of a VERY CORRUPT administration.

If one manufacturer shares its wealth with certain DC individuals and re-election campaigns, and has a powerful union, and is willing to share its gun-registration data, it might get its gun approved.

If a 2nd competitor is "greedy", and does NOT want to share its wealth with DC shakedown artists, or be overrun by unions, or NOT share its purchaser's data, it might NOT get its gun approved.

The ambiguity of their regulations, and their SECRECY of how they ruled in the past is key to maximizing the terrorist-like demands they force upon the gun makers.


This reminds me of when Hillary and Bill wanted gun manufacturers to build in an automatic kill-switch so that LE or the gov' could disable our guns in a national emergency.

30 posted on 01/03/2012 5:05:07 PM PST by Future Useless Eater (Chicago politics = corrupted capitalism = takeover by COMMUNity-ISM)
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