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L.A. Arsonist Person of Interest Detained (LAPD Chief confident we found our man)
http://www.tmz.com/2012/01/02/la-arson-arrested-arsonist/#.TwH-s3LeuuI | 1/2/2012 | tmz.com

Posted on 01/02/2012 11:19:59 AM PST by dragnet2

LAPD officers swarmed and handcuffed what they described as a "person of interest" in the Los Angeles arsonist spree that has left thousands of residents scared out of their wits for days.

Fire officials say "it is too early to speculate" if this is the person responsible for the fires.

Police have already released surveillance video showing the alleged suspect -- a ponytailed Steven Seagal lookalike (below). As you can see in our video ... the man in custody sports a ponytail

Cops previously said 39 fires could be linked to the recent rash of arsons ... and another 11 were reportedly set last night.

It's not 100% clear from the footage -- but several witnesses confirm what appears to be a creepy smile on the man's face as he sat in the back of the squad car (below).

9:32 AM PT: Riding in an equestrian unit this morning at the Rose Parade, LAPD Chief Charlie Beck said, "We are we are very confident we found our man."

8:13 AM PT: Police say fire-starting materials were found in the man's van, which displayed Canadian license plates. According to reports, the materials include charcoal.

0102_thevan_tmz_wm2 8:00 AM PT: There are reports the man may be a German national, who is angry that his mother is being deported from the US. An immigration agent helped identify him.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: arson; arsonist; burkhart; captured; domesticterrorism; ihateamerica; laarsonist; lapd; losangeles; terrorism; threatmatrix
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To: dragnet2

In criminal law regarding investigations, there are only four classes of people;

1) People not thought to have committed any crime in question. Cops often talk to these, seeking information. This includes people with “connections”, or even “knowledge” of the crime. No miranda, etc is required.

2) People who the evidence reasonably indicates MAY have committed the crime. These are suspects. Suspects gain their name from the term “reasonable suspicion”. They are the person reasonably “suspected” of the crime. As the investigation progresses, they might be exonerated and released, or charged. When interviewed,, miranda et al apply.

3) People who the evidence provides “probable cause” for charging. It is no longer a matter of “reasonable suspicion”. Now the evidence says this person did it and we can prove it. These people are charged and prosecuted.

4) Last,, the convicted. The evidence proves beyond any reasonable doubt that they did the crime.

Name them anything you want. But “persons of interest” are a lame PIO attempt to blend one and two. Fine for TV. But the courts will later segregate people into these four categories, and expect that the rules for each will be followed. When the cops clearly think you did it because every bit of evidence points to you,, and they are hunting YOU and only YOU. They better treat you with the rules of category two, if they want to win.
These categories have long existed- and still exist.

If you want to use person of interest as a substitute for “suspect,, fine. But it isn’t a new separate category.
(legally speaking)


41 posted on 01/02/2012 1:21:39 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: dragnet2

In criminal law regarding investigations, there are only four classes of people;

1) People not thought to have committed any crime in question. Cops often talk to these, seeking information. This includes people with “connections”, or even “knowledge” of the crime. No miranda, etc is required.

2) People who the evidence reasonably indicates MAY have committed the crime. These are suspects. Suspects gain their name from the term “reasonable suspicion”. They are the person reasonably “suspected” of the crime. As the investigation progresses, they might be exonerated and released, or charged. When interviewed,, miranda et al apply.

3) People who the evidence provides “probable cause” for charging. It is no longer a matter of “reasonable suspicion”. Now the evidence says this person did it and we can prove it. These people are charged and prosecuted.

4) Last,, the convicted. The evidence proves beyond any reasonable doubt that they did the crime.

Name them anything you want. But “persons of interest” are a lame PIO attempt to blend one and two. Fine for TV. But the courts will later segregate people into these four categories, and expect that the rules for each will be followed. When the cops clearly think you did it because every bit of evidence points to you,, and they are hunting YOU and only YOU. They better treat you with the rules of category two, if they want to win.
These categories have long existed- and still exist.

If you want to use person of interest as a substitute for “suspect,, fine. But it isn’t a new separate category.
(legally speaking)


42 posted on 01/02/2012 1:21:57 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

I like the British description: “assisting the police in their inquiries”.


43 posted on 01/02/2012 1:25:17 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: dragnet2

Send him to Guantanamo, for a long time.


44 posted on 01/02/2012 1:30:48 PM PST by truth_seeker (l)
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To: MaxMax

Can we burn him at the stake?


Im all for doing that..burn his ass alive, see how he likes it


45 posted on 01/02/2012 1:33:38 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: ArmstedFragg

Interestingly,, the DOJ and federal courts have no difinition for the term “person of interest”. It is simply a euphemism for “Suspect”,, and it’s catchy sounding for PIOs. It sounds like something an actress on CSI might say.

Senator Grassley even asked the Ashcroft DOJ to define the term in reference to it’s use in the 9/11 anthrax case, and after the response, concluded that it actually HAS no official definition.

Now the Brits,, thats an odd world with some very different approaches!


46 posted on 01/02/2012 1:36:00 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: dragnet2

“I hate America!” will get him a good bit of support from lots of RATS and other vermin in Cali.


47 posted on 01/02/2012 1:41:35 PM PST by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: Lockbar
“I hate America!”

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Sounds like a moslem to me. Did he scream 'Allah Akbar' as the homes went up in smoke?

48 posted on 01/02/2012 1:47:06 PM PST by Realman30 ("I've already made a donation to Haiti. It's called taxes". . . . El Rushbo.)
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To: dragnet2

A previous thread suggested muslim related.

Any info re; this perp’s “religous” associations?


49 posted on 01/02/2012 1:50:17 PM PST by newfreep (I am a "terrorist". I am Sarah Palin!)
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To: newfreep

Not yet that I have seen.


50 posted on 01/02/2012 1:53:02 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: DesertRhino
Between the item one and item two of your list, there's a middle ground best described as “this could be the guy, but we're not sure”. In that circumstance, there has been no arrest, the subject is free to leave, but there is a possibility he's the guy. It's not uncommon under those conditions to continue the investigation looking to compile sufficient evidence pointing at the individual that the level of interest arises to the point where there's a decision to take the subject into custody. In those circumstances, where the police have not yet focussed on a particular suspect, interviews are sometimes conducted in places like hotels, etc. Those are consensual, non-custodial interviews, and no Miranda warning is required. At the point where there's a focus on that individual, or that individual is no longer free to leave, the Miranda requirement is triggered. About ten years ago, San Diego had a kidnap-murder case where a couple of days of hotel interviews were conducted prior to arrest. “Person of interest” would be an appropriate description of the subject at that time.

I agree, it's not a formal status, but in the above circumstances, and in similar situations where a desire to avoid alerting the individual in question to just how much is known and how much trouble he's in (provoking him to flee), it's a useful category.

That said, it makes no sense in the L.A. situation, because the guy's in custody. “Suspect” is the operative phrase there.

51 posted on 01/02/2012 1:56:52 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Lockbar
You seem angry...I would imagine not too many support this guy here or elsewhere. Might come as a surprise to you, but not everyone is CA is a movie star, terrorist, Muslim or vermin...lol.

In fact, like Charlie Manson from Ohio, it appears even this suspect is not from CA or possibly from this country.

52 posted on 01/02/2012 2:00:43 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

That photo looks like Rod Steiger being arrested by Judd Hirsch and some unidentified Mexican guy.


53 posted on 01/02/2012 2:03:22 PM PST by Inyokern
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To: dragnet2
Based on my three decades in Hollywood, I'd suggest there's a high degree of redundancy in your post. Movie Star is pretty much a sub-set of vermin.
54 posted on 01/02/2012 2:05:53 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: ArmstedFragg
Thank you.

I would imagine, since he was arrested just hours ago, his status will quickly change, after all their ducks are neatly in a row.

For those who dislike the term, "Person of interest" rest assured, it will formally change to suspect shortly, and my bet, already has as far as the investigators are concerned.

Be interesting to see if there are any more vehicle arson fires tonight.

55 posted on 01/02/2012 2:08:16 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ArmstedFragg
Right, what I said, and we all are not like that.

BTW, all celebrities are not vermin, regardless of what you might have been told.

56 posted on 01/02/2012 2:11:48 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I worked with them for thirty years, I’m aware there are exceptions.


57 posted on 01/02/2012 2:15:52 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: ArmstedFragg

You bet there are.


58 posted on 01/02/2012 2:17:09 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
if I were Steven Segal I would be pretty pissed that people are comparing this madman to him

It's probably the most publicity Steven Seagal has had in years, heh.

59 posted on 01/02/2012 2:20:15 PM PST by denydenydeny (The more a sys<tem is all about equality in theory the more it's an aristocracy in practice.)
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To: dragnet2

“And many times, they will not call a suspect a suspect if the suspect is still outstanding, as they try to avoid their person of interest heading for the tall grass. If the person of interest hears they are being called or considered a suspect, many times they will run/hide.”

I don’t know about you, but if I knew I was “a suspect” and they called me a “person of interest,” I’d already be “heading for the tall grass.”


60 posted on 01/02/2012 2:24:13 PM PST by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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