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"Palestine"? --Bye Bye Oslo, Hullo Jordan and Egypt
Arutz Sheva - IsraelNationalNews ^ | 12/31/11 | David Singer

Posted on 12/31/2011 10:42:21 AM PST by SmithL

The reasons for Oslo's demise are complex and reveal unbridgeable gaps betwen Israel and the PA.

Veteran Middle East correspondent Robert Fisk may have been a little premature when he said on 20 September:

It's over: the "peace process", the "road map", the "Oslo agreement"; the whole fandango is history.

Personally, I think "Palestine" is a fantasy state, impossible to create now that the Israelis have stolen so much of the Arabs' land for their colonial projects.

Fisk - in attributing this simplistic reason for signing Oslo's death certificate - totally ignored the two offers made by Israel in 2001 and 2008 to cede its claims under the Mandate for Palestine and the United Nations Charter in more than 90% of the land won from Jordan in the 1967 Six Day War.

The real reasons for Oslo's demise are far deeper and more complex - revealing unbridgeable gaps between Israel and the PLO in reaching any agreement with regard to the following issues after failed on and off negotiations extending over the last 19 years:

Israel's demands that

  1. Israel be recognized as the Jewish State
  2. Any Palestinian State be demilitarized
  3. The final borders determined between it and a Palestinian State be secure and recognized boundaries as stipulated by United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338

The PLO's demands that

  1. Israel cede its claims in 100% of the territory won from Jordan in the 1967 War - with possibly equivalent land swaps to negate some of the removal of Jews from their homes in the Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem
  2. Israel agree to accept millions of Palestinian Arabs - and their descendants - who became refugees as a result of the 1948 War
Fisk's prediction has, however, been given added weight with the news this week that Hamas has agreed to join the PLO.

(Excerpt) Read more at israelnationalnews.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: egypt; jordan; robertfisk; socalledpalestinians

1 posted on 12/31/2011 10:42:23 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SJackson
Direct negotiations between Israel and Jordan (and possibly Egypt) and within the framework of Security Council resolutions 242 and 338 and their existing peace treaties - will involve no-one - Arab or Jew - having to leave his current home unless he voluntarily wishes to do so.
I can't imagine why Egypt wouldn't want Gaza or Jordan want the West Bank.
2 posted on 12/31/2011 10:44:33 AM PST by SmithL (If you reward certain behavior, don't be surprised if you see more of that behavior)
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To: SmithL

I love how people use passive voice, or Israel as subject with no object as if things just happen, without being touched by human hands.

Israel gets rocketed. (leave out who does it)

The Peace Process is over (as if the Arab terrorists have nothing to do with continuing violence.)

Arab Terrorists would rather be terrorists, rather than not be terrorists. What a surprise.


3 posted on 12/31/2011 11:11:00 AM PST by donmeaker (e is trancendental)
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To: SmithL

I love how people use passive voice, or Israel as subject with no object as if things just happen, without being touched by human hands.

Israel gets rocketed. (leave out who does it)

The Peace Process is over (as if the Arab terrorists have nothing to do with continuing violence.)

Arab Terrorists would rather be terrorists, rather than not be terrorists. What a surprise.


4 posted on 12/31/2011 11:15:38 AM PST by donmeaker (e is trancendental)
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To: donmeaker

“I love how people use passive voice...”

I love double posts


5 posted on 12/31/2011 11:23:54 AM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: SmithL

“Palestine” shall ALWAYS be a fantasy state, as there is no will or intention on the part of the various bands of terrorists to form a viable government. Even if the Israelis could be persuaded to give up all right, title and interest in what is now Israel, and the bands of thugs occupied the territory, there would STILL not be any “Palestine”. And whatever improvements the Israelis have erected, would be left empty, deteriorating hulks in less than a generation, as that tormented land reverts to the wilderness it was a century ago.


6 posted on 12/31/2011 11:57:47 AM PST by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: SmithL

Deport all israeli arabs and all non-citizen arabs to gaza, then wall it up. After that let them have their palestinian state in gaza then if they want it.


7 posted on 12/31/2011 1:45:29 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

How about make the Hebrews go to Hebron and the Arabs go to Arabia?

But then that would empty out Jordan, Syria, Egypt and Lebanon and a third of Africa at the present state of Jihad expansion.


8 posted on 12/31/2011 3:15:32 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: SmithL

The problem is the Arabs want the Jews decapitated but the Jews don’t want to be decapitated.


9 posted on 12/31/2011 3:26:58 PM PST by cookcounty (2012 choice: It's the Tea Party or the Slumber Party.)
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To: cookcounty

And the Arabs only want to compromise, they will settle for cutting off half their heads, silly Jews just will not compromise. So its the Jews fault.


10 posted on 12/31/2011 4:19:09 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Owl558

Yes, I hate them too, especially when I do them.

apologies.


11 posted on 12/31/2011 5:26:22 PM PST by donmeaker (e is trancendental)
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To: SmithL

Where’s the barf alert?


12 posted on 12/31/2011 11:22:46 PM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy

(1) I don’t do barf alerts.

(2) You either didn’t read the whole article, or you didn’t understand it.


13 posted on 12/31/2011 11:34:19 PM PST by SmithL (If you reward certain behavior, don't be surprised if you see more of that behavior)
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14 posted on 01/01/2012 2:33:32 PM PST by SJackson (Ron Paul people are closer and closer to our talking points with each election, L Hourican Code Pink)
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