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To: muddler

You are against detaining illegal enemy combatants? I do not agree with those who claim that non-US citizens engaged as illegal enemy combatants having Constitutional rights. They never had and they do not.

Ron Paul and others in the Code Pink mentality seem to want to fight for terrorists rights.

As to this specific piece of legisaltion I will admit I need to study it more but based upon the track record of Ron Paul and those who follow him I would say that we are being lied to again with the same old cries of tyranny.


15 posted on 12/27/2011 7:53:59 AM PST by TheBigIf
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To: TheBigIf
As to this specific piece of legisaltion I will admit I need to study it more ...

Is generally a good idea before posting opinions about it, as, in this case, the broken clock is right. This legislation extends the "battle field" to the US itself and allows the CinC to decide your fate - no chance for review - no lawyer - nada ...

20 posted on 12/27/2011 7:59:58 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: TheBigIf

Due process for Americans, no brainer.


21 posted on 12/27/2011 8:02:25 AM PST by muddler (Chaos is coming..)
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To: TheBigIf
As to this specific piece of legisaltion I will admit I need to study it more...

Yep.

50 posted on 12/27/2011 8:50:00 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: TheBigIf

You are wrong about this bill and because you haven’t studied it you should just keep quite until you know what you’re talking about.


51 posted on 12/27/2011 8:51:31 AM PST by stockpirate (Romney and Ann Coulture are Big Government socialists, just like other republican elites.)
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To: TheBigIf
As to this specific piece of legisaltion I will admit I need to study it more but based upon the track record of Ron Paul and those who follow him I would say that we are being lied to again with the same old cries of tyranny.

Calling anyone a liar before you even know the truth yourself is just plain foolish. You might as well be a politician and a democrat at that.

Concerned Americans are alarmed with wording in the new DDA authorization bill, as voiced by several pundits independent of Ron Paul. The U.S. Constitution, provides Americans the right to voice grievances against our government. Were you asleep when the likes of Nancy Pelosi (At the time third in line for the Presidency), called Tea Partier's Terrorists? Whether you want to believe it or not, we are heading for a Police State complete with DHS/TSA jackbooted thugs - Obama's Civilian National Security Force under Napolitano, just as strong, just as well funded as our military.

Just look back at the DHS right-wing extremist document

The Declaration of Independence states:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

We are rapidly heading there; and understandably, Obama and Congress, Democrat and Republican alike, seems to want to proactively dissuade any thought along those lines through implementation of indefinite detention, and executive orders giving Obama the ability to execute American Citizens without trial - as he sees fit. Just who Obama decides is a terrorist is the language raises a lot of concerns.

76 posted on 12/27/2011 9:47:20 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: TheBigIf

While Ron Paul is not my favorite politician & I often think of him as crank , when the Wall Street Journal & FORBES magazine give basically the same description of NDAA 2012 and what it implies for the average American I pay attention. Why because when these three sources are suddenly in agreement something is seriously wrong & it ain’t Ron Paul .


86 posted on 12/27/2011 10:36:04 AM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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