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To: TheBigIf
As to this specific piece of legisaltion I will admit I need to study it more but based upon the track record of Ron Paul and those who follow him I would say that we are being lied to again with the same old cries of tyranny.

Calling anyone a liar before you even know the truth yourself is just plain foolish. You might as well be a politician and a democrat at that.

Concerned Americans are alarmed with wording in the new DDA authorization bill, as voiced by several pundits independent of Ron Paul. The U.S. Constitution, provides Americans the right to voice grievances against our government. Were you asleep when the likes of Nancy Pelosi (At the time third in line for the Presidency), called Tea Partier's Terrorists? Whether you want to believe it or not, we are heading for a Police State complete with DHS/TSA jackbooted thugs - Obama's Civilian National Security Force under Napolitano, just as strong, just as well funded as our military.

Just look back at the DHS right-wing extremist document

The Declaration of Independence states:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

We are rapidly heading there; and understandably, Obama and Congress, Democrat and Republican alike, seems to want to proactively dissuade any thought along those lines through implementation of indefinite detention, and executive orders giving Obama the ability to execute American Citizens without trial - as he sees fit. Just who Obama decides is a terrorist is the language raises a lot of concerns.

76 posted on 12/27/2011 9:47:20 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: broken_arrow1
Unfortunately, you like so many others are falling victim to the false propaganda of the “Progressive” lawyers, and Ron Paul's misguided and inept understanding of these matters. In fact, if he had the power to implement what he is demanding, immediate trial rather than indefinite detention during the belligerency, he would be committing a violation of the law of armed conflict and a war crime. By supporting this ill informed demand of Ron Paul, you too would be advocating the commission of war crimes. Before you go on, you and the other participants in this discussion need to step back long enough to discover why it would be wrongful and a war crime to do as Ron Paul and the complaining attorneys are demanding. You also need to learn and understand why it would be harmful to our own prisoners of war and the very civilians your are misguided into believing your are trying to protect.
79 posted on 12/27/2011 9:57:48 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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