“Aussie Guy E-Cat” Claims he Has Fleischmann-Pons Effect Devices Working

"In Japanese culture there was a certain amount of slipperiness to the truth. People often tell lies for social reasons, for what they call the "tatemae" or facade. No one expects to be believed." as an excuse for Rossi's lies.

Looks like words spoken from the last refuge of a lying scoundrel.

This video fades between the one in October and the one taken recently:

It looks almost exact but, look at the rear. The original has windows behind it (or an open sliding door) and you can see green trees. The new one looks like either the door is closed or it's a different place. Everything else looks the same, the photo where the guy is leaning over in front of the container looks like it has the same stuff on the floor except for the big box. I just noticed something else different. The first of the three red containers on the side of the shipping container looks like it is in a different place. Not by much but it is different; it could be explained by the photos not having the exact same POV. If you look at the container's opening in the exact middle, then go up so you're looking at the wall behind the container but your view is still aligned with the opening, you can something on the wall in one photo but not the other. One problem is one photo is closely cropped but the difference is there.

It sure looks like the same device though in the same place if you just compare the floor. The floor has a line that both photos show. All the hoses and gauges are at the exact same angle, too? Now, Rossi's not a moron, why would he let this slip? He could say he's doing warranty work on it but to place it in the same place would seem hard or lucky. I don't know about the back part.

The Vortex site is a pain to navigate, has anyone had an explanation for this?

It looks almost exact but, look at the rear. The original has windows behind it (or an open sliding door) and you can see green trees. The new one looks like either the door is closed or it's a different place.

That's the loading bay door, open in the old photo, closed in the new one.

Just after the October 28th dog & pony show, Rossi claimed that this particular unit had been shipped to his "secret" customer's site (supposedly in the United States, but I haven't found a source for that yet). After this picture was released, Rossi changed his story to one where he never shipped the unit, but they were working on it in his warehouse.

There is also considerable distress that in the pictures of the "home" heater, there is no sign of any significant work going on. It's a small box sitting on a plywood table, with no signs of test equipment or anything else that would suggest a serious effort.

It gets better!

Supposedly, "Aussi Guy" is actually a long-time con artist with previous "free energy" scams! I guess like attracts like.

LINK

The Vortex site is a pain to navigate, has anyone had an explanation for this?

I have an article half-finished with a summary of the information presented so far. Once the Vortex posts slow down to a reasonable level, I'll finish it and post it here.

It gets better! Supposedly, "Aussi Guy" is actually a long-time con artist with previous "free energy" scams! I guess like attracts like.

Boy oh boy. The cast of characters swirling around this fiasco gets more interesting by the day.

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The Cold Fusion Ping List http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles As usual, I like what Jed Rothwell has to say, which is, pretty much, what he's been saying all along.

[Vo]:Rossi often says things he does not mean
Jed Rothwell Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:12:17 -0800
This discussion about Rossi's 1 MW reactor is silly. The reactor has not
shipped anywhere. He said it has not shipped, and it is obvious from the
photos it has not .

Previously he said he did ship it. Now he says he did not. He is
contradicting himself. He often does that. I would not call it a "lie" in
the usual sense because he makes no effort to cover up or explain the
contradiction. He says "X" on Monday and "not X" on Tuesday as if it makes
no difference. As if he never expected to be believed in the first
instance, and he did not mean it. Truth is malleable in his imagination. He
sees what is in his own mind more clearly than reality. Many people are
like that, especially creative people such as artists and writers. It is a
little unusual to meet an engineer like this, but there have been some .

Tesla was a famous example .

If Rossi's claims rested upon his personal credibility you would be crazy
to believe any of them. Fortunately, other people have tested his machines
and observed the factory heater; he has been independently replicated by
Defkalion; and despite the problems with the tests he has done they are
irrefutable .

I have been dealing with Rossi for a couple of years now. One thing I know
about him for sure: he often says things he does not mean. I would not say
"you can't trust him." It goes deeper than. I would say you cannot be sure
he is talking about reality rather than what he sees in his own
imagination, or what he wishes were true. He is describing an idealized
form of reality that he alone sees. He is also trying to manipulate people
or fool them by saying outrageous things he does not really mean. He prides
himself on his ability to manipulate people, including me, but actually he
is inept at that. He upsets people instead of outwitting them. Again, that
includes me personally .

As I have said before, I have never seen him lie or exaggerate about
technical aspects of his device. Engineers are often like that. They are
sometimes honest about engineering and blatant liars when it comes to
paying their share of the bill at the restaurant, or having an affair with
your wife. Perhaps he has lied about technical subjects but I have not
caught him. However, when it comes to his business affairs, or arrangements
that he and I were trying to make together, or what I have said and done,
he has often lied. Sometimes so extravagantly and so obviously that I do
not think he ever intended to fool anyone .

People are complicated. Rossi is particularly complicated and
contradictory. I would not want to do business with him, as I have often
said .

- Jed

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Re: [Vo]:Lewan Mats says he never thought the reactor shipped
Jed Rothwell Thu, 19 Jan 2012 15:52:21 -0800
Yamali Yamali > (who also has the e-mail response parameter wrong) wrote:

Jed Rothwell wrote: "... Rossi has no credibility. ..."

How can you come this far and still believe his e-cats work and he
never faked anything? Haven't we dicussed endlessly how easy that
would be? And yet you seem to believe that a guy without any
credivility had his one honest moment in life just when it came to
what would probably be the greatest breakthroughs in the history of
science? I'm... ahh... puzzled .

Look, this is not complicated. Please, take it one step at a time:

1. Scientific credibility comes when you are independently checked or independently replicated. It is _never_ a function of your personal credibility. If it was, no one would believe Robert Stroud (the "birdman of Alcatraz") -- to take an extreme example -- because he was an habitual liar and a homicidal maniac. We believe Stroud because people have read his books, confirmed his observations, and used his techniques successfully.

2. Rossi has been independently replicated by Defkalion, and his devices have been carefully checked by many experts.

3. He cannot have "faked" devices checked thousands of miles away from him at Defkalion.

4. It is not physically possible for him to fake heat that burns someone. It is not possible for him to conduct 5 kW of electricity over a thin wire. No one can do that.

You must separate the person from the claim in your mind. The personality or behavior of the person has no bearing on whether the claim is true or false. You can only judge the claim by experiment. Rossi has been independently confirmed by experiment. That's all there is to it. Discussions of his personality may be interesting but they CANNOT AFFECT THE VALIDITY OF HIS CLAIM.

Yugo and others say that the experiment was never done except in Rossi's presence, and he might have used stage magic. That is wrong on two counts:

1. It has been done repeatedly thousands of miles from him, with equipment he never touched. He denies the equipment exists!

2. No such stage magic tricks exist, or can exist. It is physically impossible.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Jed Rothwell Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:08:09 -0800
Jones Beene wrote:

> Again, let me say that my problem is NOT with the technology, which is
> valid, but with the man .

>

Again let me ask: IF the technology is valid then WHY do you give a rat's
ass about the man?! What difference does he make? I cannot understand this
obsession that you share with Mary Yugo about Rossi's personality and his
personal business. Shrug your shoulders and stop thinking about him .

He is a strange fellow. We all know that. He will be a rich source of
biographies in the future. There have been many strange scientists and
inventors, and also many strange programmers, farmers, grocery
clerks, doctors and ship captains -- such as Capt. Francesco Schettino of
the Costa Concordia. We got it. Okay, already. Change the subject .

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Interesting new video from ecat.com
Jed Rothwell Thu, 19 Jan 2012 07:40:14 -0800
Rossi wrote:

> " Of course there has been a misunderstanding due to my bad translation .

> The 1 MW plant has been accepted and sold ( hence "gone") but it remained
> in our factory of Bologna for fixings and for National Instruments
> improvements of the control systems .

>

It is actually plausible that he meant that. His English is fluent yet
poor, and he often confuses the issue .

Poor AR seems upset with Rossi. AR: You can't say we didn't warn you! Read
my message "Rossi often says things he does not mean." Ponder it .

You wrote:

It is time for Rossi to stop making wish full statements and to start
> delivering independent "black box" tests. I can arrange to make that happen
> as I'm sure many others can do .

>

He does not want to do that. I and many others have been trying to get him
to do that for two years. He adamantly absolutely refuses. He will NEVER do
that. I assume this is because he has no patent. It is also because he
thrives on controversy. He loves confusing and outwitting people, although
it often happens that he has not outwitted them; he only imagines he has .

He has been playing mind games with you. He can be infuriating .

In Japanese culture there was a certain amount of slipperiness to the
truth. People often tell lies for social reasons, for what they call the
"tatemae" or facade. No one expects to be believed. It is a little a Kabuki
performance. What Rossi is doing resembles an Italian opera performance .

Take it as such. Applaud the performance and ignore the content. If you
don't believe him in the first place you will not be upset .

- Jed

I think this posting from Aussie Guy (the subject of this thread is an appropriate ending point for the thread (and Rossi's E-Cat):

Didn't sleep much last night. Went for a morning walk along the beach with my dog and watched the sun come up. Just had a coffee with our chairman who lives not that far from me. I'm taking 2 weeks leave to get my head together. The company will not be moving forward with any of my LENR plans as I have not be able to produce a working device. Good news is I still have a job.
AG

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

Awfully proud of your own opinion aren’t you?

Awfully proud of your own opinion aren’t you?

Not particularly. It doesn't take much intelligence to see that Rossi is a fraud.

How proud are you of your gullibility?

FYI, THIS post from the Vortex mailing list explains quite clearly (using a video of Rossi's E-Cat in action) exactly how Rossi is faking it in that particular test.

THIS is the actual video.

Rossi claims that the water in the E-Cat is at atmospheric pressure, and the pitiful plume of steam coming out seems to confirm that. And, if that's true, then there is no way the gadget could be producing steam for 30 minutes after the power was turned off.

However, at 6:40 in the video, Rossi ends the demonstration by opening up the valve for the container holding the "reactor", and a high-pressure stream of hot water and steam start shooting out of the gadget. It continues to shoot out at high-pressure for well over a minute. It's still shooting out, with no signs of slowing down, when the video ends.

It's obvious from this video that the E-Cat is actually storing a large amount of water at much higher than atmospheric pressure. And, the higher the pressure, the higher the boiling point of the water. And the higher the boiling point, the more heat can be stored in the water.

Since Rossi spends hours "pre-heating" his gadget (much longer than would be required to just heat the so-called reactor), it's clear that he can pump enough heat into the high-pressure water to store enough heat to produce the small column of steam for a long, long time.

It is entirely possible that Rossi has other tricks up his sleeve, but in this case, just the high-pressure reservoir is enough to completely explain the results.

Totally ridiculous. Physically impossible. The "core" of that particular e-Cat is much too small (and not sufficiently strong) to begin to hold that amount of water/steam. Said core is 20 cm by 20 cm by 2cm, with an additional 2cm of lead added to each dimension. And the outer shell (which "is" full of water) is nowhere near strong enough to contain the pressure that would result if "it" were the "storage element".

Stick to conspiracy-related hypotheses. Your technical level isn't good enough to handle the science-related aspects. This is even dumber than the "hot chunk of iron" (which won't work either.

Totally ridiculous. Physically impossible. The "core" of that particular e-Cat is much too small (and not sufficiently strong) to begin to hold that amount of water/steam

You mean it's impossible for it to hold the amount of water/steam that is clearly shooting out of the device for well over a minute at the end of the video?

HERE is Alan Fletcher's analysis, where he mentions that this is the 85Kg unit, and that the interior, "secret" core (the one no one is allowed to examine) is about 30 liters in volume.

The video clearly shows that the trickle of water being pumped in to the E-Cat during the demo is disconnected from the high-pressure reservoir that is opened at the end of the video. If it weren't, the rubber tube that Rossi shows would have water/steam shooting out of it at the same rate, rather than the much small amount that appears.

Water at 150 psi boils at 181C. At 300 psi, it boils at 214C. Plenty of stored heat to keep a trickle of water boiling for a half-hour. And you don't have a clue of the contents of construction of the inner box. Rossi won't allow anyone to examine it.

Remember when Rossi became "enraged" when the NASA representative asked him if there was an internal reservoir in his E-Cat? LINK

This is why. Note that the video is taken on September 7, just one day after he was unwilling/unable to make the same E-Cat work for the NASA observers.

I realize that you're despondent that we've now learned that Rossi never shipped his 1-MW E-Cat to his "secret" customer, even though he claimed he did. I see that Rossi's shills are trying to explain this lie, but I don't think any reasonable person is going to buy it.

Unless Rossi really does allow some independent testing of his gadget (which he promised to do so and then at the last minute refused; another lie), reasonable people are going to come to the reasonable conclusion that he is a fraud and con man.

FYI, it has been pretty conclusively proven by the Vortex team that "Aussie Guy" who was the subject of this article, is in fact Gregory Watson, a noteworthy scammer who managed to (according to posts on Vortex) swindle people out of at least $2 million for a magnet-based "free energy" gadget, and according to THIS article, at least $68 million for a fake solar collector.

His MO seems very similar to Rossi's, including the promise of a "robotic manufacturing facility" to build millions of his devices each year. (LINK)

The "SunCube" scam is very enlightening and provides some very good information on how such a scam works. Those who wonder how Rossi might make money off of his E-Cat gadget will find some very useful information from Watson and his SunCube.

Remember when Rossi became "enraged" when the NASA representative asked him if there was an internal reservoir in his E-Cat?

Here's a picture of the internal reservoir found on this page.

That's a lot of gunk for just a few hours of operation. I'd hate to see what it looks like after a few months (like that will ever happen).

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"You mean it's impossible for it to hold the amount of water/steam that is clearly shooting out of the device for well over a minute at the end of the video?"

No. I mean your understanding of the technical situation sucks. Trying to garner this type of information from a video is an exercise in futility.

"HERE is Alan Fletcher's analysis, where he mentions that this is the 85Kg unit, and that the interior, "secret" core (the one no one is allowed to examine) is about 30 liters in volume."

As far as I can tell from a quick scan of Fletcher's writeup (which I read in detail some months back), he mentions the reactor "core" not at all. The 30 liters is the total volume of water pumped into the ecat before it starts to overflow (i.e. the reactor is filled from a "dry" state to "liquid full").

"The video clearly shows that the trickle of water being pumped in to the E-Cat during the demo is disconnected from the high-pressure reservoir that is opened at the end of the video. If it weren't, the rubber tube that Rossi shows would have water/steam shooting out of it at the same rate, rather than the much small amount that appears."

Sigh....the water flowing into and out of the E-cat is solely controlled by the water fed in by the pump. And I think Fletcher's analysis (speculative though it is) addresses the point nicely. The "boiler" region of that specific e-Cat is divided into two chambers, one of which runs at ~118 degrees, and the other at 100 degrees (vented to atmospheric pressure). The first is maintained at an elevated pressure relative to the other by some source of back pressure "device". BUT THE ENERGY CONTAINED IN THAT WATER IS ACCOUNTED FOR BY THE CURRENT INPUT TO THE SYSTEM (see "Time Log"). What you see is that higher temperature chamber being vented to atmosphere at the end of the test. OF COURSE it shoots out an intense jet of steam. But the energy contained in that steam is already "in the accounting ledger".

"Water at 150 psi boils at 181C. At 300 psi, it boils at 214C. Plenty of stored heat to keep a trickle of water boiling for a half-hour. And you don't have a clue of the contents of construction of the inner box. Rossi won't allow anyone to examine it.

I don't recall whether they were allowed access to the interior during this particular test, but in the Oct. 18 "single fat E-cat" test, the E-cat was disassembled in the presence of the witnesses. That visual examination shows that the "core" is nowhere near 25 liters. And in the 18 October test the dimensions of the "core" are given as I stated previously.

"Remember when Rossi became "enraged" when the NASA representative asked him if there was an internal reservoir in his E-Cat?

I recall mention of it. See "insufficient data".

"This is why. Note that the video is taken on September 7, just one day after he was unwilling/unable to make the same E-Cat work for the NASA observers."

Speculation. And unsubstantiated, at that.

"I realize that you're despondent that we've now learned that Rossi never shipped his 1-MW E-Cat to his "secret" customer, even though he claimed he did. I see that Rossi's shills are trying to explain this lie, but I don't think any reasonable person is going to buy it.

Please, don't project your psychological problems on me. I have no investment in Rossi's success or failure.

"Unless Rossi really does allow some independent testing of his gadget (which he promised to do so and then at the last minute refused; another lie), reasonable people are going to come to the reasonable conclusion that he is a fraud and con man."

Well, some "reasonable people" will reserve judgement until they have more data. I've already told you my own personal "longest wait" time.