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What, If Anything, Could Convince a Ronulan Not to Vote for Ron Paul
Redstate ^ | 12/26/2011 | Leon H. Wolf

Posted on 12/26/2011 7:29:22 PM PST by TBBT

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To: jz638
I don’t know if it matters for the argument, but America didn’t enter the European theatre because of the Holocaust.

No Germany declared war on us. Just as soon as Paul saw that he could not appease the Germans enough he would have just surrendered.
61 posted on 12/27/2011 6:35:03 AM PST by John D
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Thing is, he believes in the US Constitution like nobody else out there.

You are right about that. Cut and Run is the only one who believes in only the parts he likes. The others take it as a whole document.
62 posted on 12/27/2011 6:46:28 AM PST by John D
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I think Paul’s support is much, much broader than the young but most definitely not the types that vote for Obama or the the flip-side statist, NewtRomney. The attraction is a actually return to classic liberalism, the foundation of our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
RP is the only mainstream vehicle to express many of the Freedom Agenda’s original ideas of small government, private property rights, non-intervention, free market economics, ie; adherence to the Constitution. This thinking has modern historic roots in the early 17th Century. BTW, in 1940 the vast majority of Americans (I read 80%) were against involvement in European war. Now how did we get into this war??? Read Herbert Hoover’s memoirs published in Feb ‘12.


63 posted on 12/27/2011 7:23:13 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: John D

If they could just think for themselves. They are not able to think for themselves. They can only follow their messiah


I think you’re wrong on this. If you are a Ron Paul supporter in this environment, you have made that decision because you have researched it. Does everyone? No. I’m just saying that it’s one thing not to like Paul’s views. Fine and dandy. But I’m getting sick and tired of people being so vile against the younger generation especially. It’s our generation that helped with getting us in this hell spot. They are going to have to pay for it all. IF they truly think Paul can get us out..go for it.

Do you have the same kind of support for Mitt, Newt, Santorum, Bachmann? Are you willing to be called a druggy just for your choice for President?

Someone on one of these threads said that conservatives are scared of getting back to the constitution. I believe they are right. I think there are some crazy followers of Paul, but I see that with all of the candidates..especially on forums like these. But I think the surprise will end up being WHO is supporting Paul besides young voters.

There are a lot of senior voters that can still remember a government that closer followed the Constitution. They’ve seen it all..they are ready for another shot at the early ways.


64 posted on 12/27/2011 7:37:26 AM PST by stillafreemind
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To: iopscusa

The world has changed and along with it so has technology.

Welcome to 2012 and beyond.


65 posted on 12/27/2011 7:39:40 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: iopscusa
You've said a mouth-full My mom said that her grandmother, who raised her, always said that America should never get involved with the Middle East. (Backround on great grandma..poor as a church mouse, hard worker, believed in God.)
66 posted on 12/27/2011 7:41:00 AM PST by stillafreemind
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To: Figment
You folks deserve all the derision coming your way

I'm indifferent to the derision just as I am becoming indifferent to the election.

67 posted on 12/27/2011 7:56:02 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: stillafreemind

Good post and moniker, ‘still a free mind’.


68 posted on 12/27/2011 8:45:29 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The world changes daily, it is the meta changes that serve as history lessons and revisionist history has given a lot more insight into the causes and results of these meta events, if interested I’d recommend “The costs of war: America’s pyrrhic victories” edited by John V. Denson.

http://books.google.com/books?id=0MJCDZBbxJcC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false


69 posted on 12/27/2011 8:57:06 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: iopscusa

Freedom isn’t free or bloodless.


70 posted on 12/27/2011 8:59:23 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: TBBT

I wonder if any of these anti-Paul threads will ever lead us to the candidate who has consistently supported smaller government, and who we’re allowed to support without being called a retard or a traitor. That would be cool.


71 posted on 12/27/2011 9:37:24 AM PST by andyk (Tax credits == Welfare)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Freedom isn’t free or bloodless.

Something paulbots and the surrender monkey's other followers the OWS gang do not understand. Both groups want the rights and privileges America has to offer, but do not think they should be obligated to pay for them in any way.
72 posted on 12/27/2011 11:37:49 AM PST by John D
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To: John D

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2825568/posts


73 posted on 12/27/2011 11:41:07 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: andyk

I can only think of one person running who has deserved the right to be called a traitor, but he has consistently pushed for more earmarks while consistently saying he was against them.


74 posted on 12/27/2011 11:42:14 AM PST by John D
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To: TBBT

Sadly, they’re as impervious to evidence as liberals are.


75 posted on 12/28/2011 7:02:17 AM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: stillafreemind

This is a fair minded account of RP’s supporters. I believe RP certainly has his share of flaws but the attraction is he offers a glimpse of what a fair number of Americans desire a small, limited Government based on Constitution original-ism; limited powers, free enterprise, rule of law, etc. And yet the rabid attacks on RP are off the charts and despicable from these ?Conservatives? as bad as from the rabid KosKid left. It is an eye opener and may be similar to the reaction of the Whig party as after their 30 years of failure to ram a National Bank down the throats of Americans finally collapsed and the Whigs mostly joined what became the Republican Party where they finally realized their great National Bank dreams in 1917. Maybe it’s time to finish off the Whigs.


76 posted on 12/28/2011 4:58:44 PM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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