[markomalley]

Israel is a secular, liberal, state.

Well, there you go.

So the next time I read something asking for unquestioning support for Israel because of the prophecy in the Scriptures, I can reply that Jewbacca says, "Israel is a secular, liberal, state" -- therefore, any resemblance to prophecy is strictly coincidental.

Thanks.

[Jewbacca]

You are muddling two distinct concepts in a rather silly manner.

I don’t think there is any dispute that that the government of Israel is democracy and is not run by the Mosiach.

I also don’t think there is any dispute (aside from anti-semites) that the land promised to Abraham (a much larger area) for all times is partially encompassed by the modern state of Israel -— regardless of whether ones accepts the Torah is true.

Nor is there any serious questioning (again, aside from anti-semites) that the historical, pre-Diaspora, Israel was located right where it is located today (albeit in a smaller footprint today).