Posted on 12/24/2011 6:11:40 AM PST by Flavius
Washington: Pakistani military had harboured Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden with the knowledge of former president General Pervez Musharraf, former army chief General Ziauddin Butt has said.
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Helicopters landing, crashing, and hovering over a military town at 2AM - automatic gun fire and several explosions clearly audible hundreds of meters away - but no senior officer makes a phone call, or walks outside to look, or drives over to investigate this, and no civilian calls the local police?
Not only do I think the Pakistani military was deeply involved, I think the USA shoveled big time money to local police and military officials to guarantee that NO ONE interfered with the American strike force.
I don’t know if we are really weaker in terms of our military. We now have a lot experienced soldiers and they know the enemy.
If a real war broke out - and Obama isn’t CIC - we still know how to break things on a massive scale. Soft war we’ve never been good at...
The umbrella terrorist group that gave us 9/11 carried out the first strike of that year in Iraq against US-supported Kurdish rebels in the north, assassinating top leaders there in a series of bombings intended to leave the Kurds leaderless and useless should the US move into Iraq after Sept 11. It failed, but the al Qaeda subsidiary remained in Iraq constructing a base in the north on the border with Iran and establishing a cell which operated out of Baghdad and which decapitated a Catholic nun there.
An al Qaeda group operating out of western Europe followed that up with an assassination of the leader of the Afghan Northern alliance just days before 9/11, on September 9th, in a move they hoped would prevent the US from working with Massood to gain a foothold in Afghanistan. That subgroup also plotted attacks on US Army HQ in Europe and the NATO hq.
The umbrella terrorist group that gave us 9/11 is the very same terrorist group which gave us the bombing of the USS Cole, a ship which was in the Yemeni port of Aden on a mission to contain Iraq in October 2000.
In early 2000 al Qaeda gathered in Malaysia to review their failed attack on the USS The Sullivans in Aden harbor, an effort which led to them seeking assistance from Iranian-backed Hezbollah in planning a second and successful plot to bomb the USS Cole. The Malaysia meeting involved an Iraqi facilitator employed by the Iraqi embassy who was later caught in Jordan with phone numbers linking him to the perps of the 1993 WTC bombing in NY and other infamous folks on our wanted list. One of the places used by the group in the Malaysia meetings was reported to be the Iranian ambassador's residence in Kuala Lumpour.
It is the very same bunch whose Kenyan cell and Tanzanian cell gave us the 1998 US embassy bombings in Africa.
It was the very same bunch which plotted operation Bojinka and a second plot from the Philippines in the mid nineties whose intended targets were airliners crossing the Pacific and the CIA headquarters in Virginia; the same group which bombed a flight over the Pacific and killed a Japanese engineer.
Another AlQaeda linked group carried out a bombing in the Philppines in 2000, as I recall, which killed a US army Ranger and wounded another, and after which the perps contacted their accomplice, a diplomat in the Iraqi embassy in the Philippines, to report their success.
It was the very same bunch who attempted to strike NY in the early nineties' "Landmark Plot" which targetted tunnels and the UN headquarters in NY. The spiritual leader of the Landmark plotters went on to use his US prison cell and an American leftist lawyer to order terrorist attacks in Egypt such as the Luxor Massacre targetting western tourists.
It was the very same bunbch which carried out attacks in Saudi Arabia in concert with the London based al Mujahiroun, a Saudi opposition group seeking the overthrow of the Saudi government, the group led by "Captain Hook" Omar Bakri the welfare cheat which was also attempting to establish terrorist training camps in the US and Canada.
It was the very same bunch who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993. In that case one of the perps fled to Iraq where he was given a house and a pension.
It was the very same bunch which trained terrorists in Somalia and which ultimately drove the US from Somalia early in Clinton's first term.
The idea that the war started on 9/11/2001 is grossly nearsighted.
Oh, I don't know...
I don't think we say the war with Japan started on December 12, 1937, or on April 10, 1941.
Although the attack on the Panay and the formation of Kido Butai were both war acts by Japan, almost everyone (probably even you) counts Pearl Harbor Day as the REAL beginning.
It takes nothing to shoot down choppers. If they knew about the operation and wanted to protect bin Laden at all costs, there is nothing we could have done to prevent the entire SEAL team from being taken prisoner or killed. Note that the Taliban have taken down 2 SEAL choppers using RPG's. The Pakistanis not only have MANPADS, they have SAM batteries.
We need to place the honor of this worldwide terrorist movement where it belongs, to the US President who watched smugly, did nothing, and probably covertly aided in the ouster of the Shaw of Iran.
It should land squarely at the feet of communist Jimmy Carter.
It would be amusing if it turns out Musharraf staged 9/11 through Afghan and Arab cut-outs in order to finagle more American aid. Which brought the wrath of Uncle Sam on the Taliban and al Qaeda while leaving Musharraf’s government untouched and flush with tens of billions in American aid, some of which is paying for Musharraf’s comfortable retirement and exile in the UK.
Pakistan is “too nuclear to fail.” — Bachmann
And then we would have sent in missiles/bombers and Pakistan would have lost its deniability.
Depends on what your politics are, correct?
No shortage of America haters or Islamic radicals in Pakistan.
And no shortage of glory or rewards for those who might bring failure, capture, or humiliation to an elite American strike force.
I absolutely support this assassination.
But I have trouble accepting the official time line.
It does not make sense to me that this raid could go on for roughly half an hour, but no Pakistanis showed up to intervene or investigate.
A ten minute raid, with no helicopter crash, with no hovering helicopter, ok, I'll buy that story.
But 30 minutes, multiple explosions, etc., that's very hard to believe.
Pakistan is not a buffer against China; they are China’s buffer in the region.
People forget, but Pakistan has always been aligned with the Chinese (and to a limited extent the Americans) as their trump card in opposition to India. During the Soviet days India was a de facto ally (non-aligned in name only) with Russia and that changed only after 1991 when the USA became their sole option. The “Great Game” never ended but the names of the players have changed a few times.
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