NEWT 
MITT
Posted on 12/22/2011 7:19:22 AM PST by stillafreemind
Besides Paul's top position, Perry is now third or fourth in most of the polling. Pundits say Iowa is irrelevant if Paul wins, as he is a one-trick pony. Could a win in Iowa ignite the Paul ground teams in other states? Paul is a force to be reckoned with because of his staunch supporters. Maybe candidates should be reaching towards Paul instead of running away from him.
Perry, on the other hand, could be the dark horse in this race. If not nationally, at least he appears to be set to come from behind in Iowa. Why are people giving Perry a second look? His supporters do not mind that he is not the best debater.
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A: He’s not. He is running a strategy of keeping off camera and saying as little as possible. Great if he is running for president of Iowa, worthless anywhere else.
Perry talks off a strict script to keep his handlers talking points straight and he still screws it up. Perry doesn't have an original conservative thought in his head, just a jumble of jingoism derived by his campaign team. If Perry were the real deal, he wouldn't need his posse of cronies and Bobby Jindal hovering around him on the bus tour to keep him on message.
You’re relying on a poll that shows Ron Paul winning Iowa. If you believe that’s possible, I’ve got some bridges to sell you....
I want an executive with a proven record.
I have no idea who is our toughest candidate to defeat Obama and no one else does, either.
So far, even Perry has the best winning record in elections.
So many criticize Perry for not doing Obama’s job.
If they want Perry to do Obama’s job for him then they need to vote him into Obama’s position.
Perry as the Governor of Texas cannot completely secure an international border between United States and Mexico as Texas Gov and with only Texas resources.
Perry as the Governor of Texas cannot deport any illegals.
Perry as the Governor of Texas is forced by Federal Law to educate and medically treat illegals.
Perry has done more on the border than Obama has and it is not his job to do so. He has done it with as much Texas Taxpayers money as possible and with as much Texas resources as possible.
If people want Perry to do Obama’s job of securing the border, getting drug cartels (and the guns away from them that Obama gave them) and fix the illegal problem we have......
then they should vote for Perry to give him the job, responsibilities and the resources to do so.
I’m not picking on you and I know you are favorable to Perry. It is just that Perry is getting a bad rap for the illegal and border issues that are not entirely his fault.
Have you seen this?
THIS IS GREAT....LOOK WHAT TEXAS IS DOING ON THE BORDER...
TEXAS NOW HAS ITS OWN NAVY! The Department of Public Safety, Thursday, announced the launched of a Tactical Marine Unit.
{This is TEXAS not U.S. doing this}
NEWT MITT
I didn’t say I would vote for or against a candidate because of his supporters. I was just chiming in that some Perry supporters were pretty obnoxious talking about Cain supporters.
>>These Republicans who support Paul don’t altogether realize that Paul is making a play for the Code Pink/Pothead left, but they are Republicans and conservatives.<<
Consider the possibility that Paul is pulling a bunch of young people into the Republican ranks with his liberal views on marijuana. Those young voters don’t like big government because of what it does to their friends who are occasional drug users (and, face it, at some point most young people experiment with marijuana, even if it’s only once or twice.)
They see friends tossed into jail, getting criminal records, etc., for what they consider relatively innocent behavior that they, themselves, have done in the past. Along comes Paul, a Libertarian running on a Republican ticket - but they don’t know that, and draws them in with his marijuana legalization message and his persistent diatribes against big government.
A lot of young people probably figured that Obama would have tackled the drug issue before now, and now it looks like he’ll avoid it entirely. As Paul’s popularity grows among the young, it’s possible that another Republican candidate will find a way to address their concerns as well, but it will take some delicate footwork to do so without losing the rest of the Republican base.
I think the way to go about it would be to address the harm that the criminalization of marijuana has done, taking specific examples of young people imprisoned for minor usage, or describing how their resulting arrest records have adversely impacted their lives.
What I’m saying is that Paul might be creating an opportunity for the Republican Party to appear reasonable to a large cohort of young people, while simultaneously boosting that same group’s awareness of the importance of returning to a limited government.
And, yes, I’m one of those, conservative, limited-government Republicans who think that we should consider decriminalization of marijuana. The current law wreaks havoc on our society in too many ways. We would definitely create some new problems with legalization, but they wouldn’t be as serious as the ones created by the current law, in my opinion.
It is a media age and the debate and communication skills of the winning candidate are of utmost importance. Shouldn't be, but it is what it is. The voting electorate is largely ignorant and given to basing their decision on the dumbest of reasons, including if a gaffe is made at a televised debate.
My biggest concern is that it appears to me that the only beneficiaries of Newt's dropping numbers are Mitt and LRon(?!), not Rick Perry so much. That's a huge problem. If not Newt, it's gonna be Mitt and I cannot imagine a worse scenario.
>>The administration and agenda of either a President Gingrich or Perry would not be different in ANY substantive way.
Vote for the one who is most likely to defeat 0bama. That is Newt hands down.<<
You make two assertions. The first is almost certainly wrong. Perry will govern much more conservatively than Gingrich and he will be much more inclined to transfer power out of DC and back to the States. Gingrich is a creature of the DC establishment.
And the second assertion, that Gingrich will have an easier time beating Obama than Perry, is probably wrong too. It’s at least arguable that Perry’s consistent views over the years will look better to voters than Gingrich’s on-again, off-again, conservatism. Gingrich and Perry will both be lambasted by the MSM; of that there is no doubt.
But if the theme of the next election is to be one of limited government, Perry is at least as good a candidate as Gingrich in that regard. On the other hand, it the theme is getting along with the other guy, well, Gingrich has played both sides long enough, he should be pretty good at that.
And don’t think for a moment that his supposedly effective “calling out” of the MSM will be tolerated by the MSM in a general election environment. Every single time he picks on one of their own, he will be buried in opposition research, and the opposition won’t be the Dems, it will be that same MSM.
Oh, thanks for the update. Perry is out as far as I’m concerned.
Bachmann or Santorum still possible. Otherwise, one form of amnesty is pushed through
“I agree that some kind of electronic verification system is needed so we can make sure employers comply with the law not to hire illegal immigrants. E-Verify is a federal government created and run program, and as a result there have been a number of problems with it so far. The Department of Homeland Security estimated the system could fail to identify more than half of all illegal immigrants.
But just because it has problems doesn’t mean we should throw employee verification out. It means we should make it work. Employee verification needs to be accurate so American citizens aren’t denied jobs based on bad data and undocumented immigrants don’t slip through the system. And it needs to be less cumbersome for employers to use, so it’s not costing them money they could be using to create jobs.
So as president, I’d work to put in place an E-Verify system that’s more accurate, less burdensome and really delivers the results we need it to.”
It took SIX years but Perry got Photo voter ID pushed through and signed. Now it sit on Holder's desk for "approval" and our redistricting sits tied up in the courts because Perry and the super majority re-drew the lines.
Our state has paid $400 Million of TEXAS tax payer money on the INTERNATIONAL border that isn't our responsibility but we do it. We pay for the crime and all the other social expenses that come from the FEDERAL government imposing rules on Texas (all the states).
Go peddle your BS some place else. WE KNOW Rick Perry will seal the border, kill off the cartels and NO amnesty. He is the only candidate running who will.
HERE IS SOME MORE (this is not a WIN for Perry or Texas -- illegal immigration hurts us all)
ICE blamed for Texas parolee law delayThe state has been unable to enforce a new law designed to increase the deportations of illegal immigrants from the Texas prison system amid concerns that federal immigration officials are unprepared to handle the anticipated influx of convicted criminals, state officials said.
Under the new law, which was scheduled to take effect Sept. 1, state prisoners who are granted parole and turned over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials must either be deported or leave the country voluntarily - or risk being returned to state custody to serve out the remainder of their sentences.
The law was crafted to address a vexing problem identified by the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles, which reported granting parole to some illegal immigrants and turning them over to ICE - only to later learn that they were not removed from the country, said state Rep. Jerry Madden, R-Plano.”………………..
Mexico’s drug war is giving growers a break EL BARRIL, Mexico — The Mexican government is allowing domestic marijuana and opium poppy production to climb to record levels, as soldiers who once cut and burned illegal crops here in the vast Sierra Madre mountains are being redeployed to cities to wage urban warfare against criminal gangs.
Since President Felipe Calderon ordered his troops into the streets in late 2006, the acreage dedicated to marijuana farming has nearly doubled in Mexico, according to technical reports by the U.S. government and the United Nations, data provided by the Mexican military, and interviews with law enforcement agents and growers.
The acreage devoted to opium poppies has also soared, according to the U.S. State Department, making Mexico the second-leading heroin producer in the world, after Afghanistan, whose crop goes mostly to Europe and Asia.......
“Yes, it is a change in strategy, as the army now gives priority to catching criminals and seizing cocaine, which is far more valuable to the cartels” than marijuana or heroin, said Raul Benitez, an expert in drug trafficking and national security at the National Autonomous University of Mexico.
The Mexican government, Benitez said, also cares less about marijuana cultivation these days because the U.S. government appears to care less.”………………..
Still no solution for illegal immigrants' long-term care costs…………..”Still, the real problem isn't hospitals, which transfer most all patients, both U.S. citizens and illegal immigrants, once urgent care is no longer needed and the bed is needed for other patients. It's long-term care facilities, unable to afford to accept patients, like Martinez, who don't have insurance. It remains for hospitals, obligated by federal regulation to arrange post-hospital care for those who need it, to find alternatives and to provide care indefinitely if they can't....
And don't give me the bs that Perry takes money from businesses that use illegals.
With the notable exception of Lamar Smith (R), mostly Democrat giving, including a PAC contribution for Sen Chuck Schumer (D-NY), also gave to Bill White (D) who lost in his 2010 gubenatorial challenge to Rick Perry – DIDN'T FIND Rick Perry: Charles Butt [HEB CEO] Political Campaign Contributions 2010 Election Cycle [HEB is the largest private company (grocer) in Texas]
With the exception of $1K to Shelia Jackson-Lee and Gene Green -- both democrats, ALL GOP giving but DIDN'T FIND Rick Perry: Bob Perry Political Campaign Contributions 2010 Election Cycle -- Bobby Jack Perry (Bob J. Perry); Houston, Texas homebuilder, owner of Perry Homes, and major contributor to a number of 527 groups: Swift Vets and POWs for Truth and the Economic Freedom Fund. ---- In 2010, Bob Perry donated $7 million to the 527 group American Crossroads -- largest single donation that the organization has received to date.
Disclosure reports show that neither Bob Perry [Perry Homes/home builder] nor his wife have donated to Rick Perry's presidential bid. Bob Perry has given money to other candidates but not to Rick Perry. The biggest recipient is Mitt Romney. Bob Perry and his wife gave a combined $5,000 to Romney's early this year and $500,000 to the super PAC Restore Our Future that supports Romney.
In 2008, they supported Romney's nomination with a $5,000 donation between them. According to disclosure reports Gov Tim Pawlenty received a combined $10,000 to his presidential campaign and another $60,000 to his political action committee from Bob Perry and his wife. Bob Perry is also the top donor to the Karl Rove-linked super PAC American Crossroads.
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Donors to Bush absent for Perry [9-1 support Romney]
Where is the news article link for that?
I went to your link taking me to a freepers thread but could not find a link to the original Washington Post article.
IMHO, you have not disproved either of my 'assertions'. We agree, whoever the GOP candidate is will get a MSM bombardment of historic proportions. They've not used ANY against Romney in the hopes that he'll be the nominee and then they can roll the tapes they're saving. Gingrich will handle the onslaught much better than Perry as has already been proven (compare and contrast Rick Perry poll numbers in August versus October and explain why).
No matter who is President, the House and Senate (hopefully both in GOP hands), will control the agenda of either Administration. Newt's historical proclivity to wander will be held in check.
Ergo, pick the candidate who can win an election in this media age. That's Newt.
>>...Perry’s pandering to illegal aliens.<<
If you’re going to state something like this, back it up with at least one example, if one exists.
Because without a concrete example of his “pandering to illegal aliens,” I always find myself wondering if what people who say that don’t mean something more along the lines of “offering support to those legal immigrant families that we never should have allowed to become citizens in the first place.”
Perry seems to understand the difference. I’m not sure a lot of his border critics do.
So you are taking that one anti-Perry persons word for it?
Find the article in the Washington Post.
I could not find it.
I saw Perry in his speech yesterday to Iowans in Clinton Iowa and he said definitely that he would enforce the laws that are on the books NOW. That came from his mouth yesterday and I heard it.
You can see his speech here http://texasroadkill.org/node/3
and his answer to that question (what he would do with illegals here now after border is secured) was toward the end during the question and answer.
That is if you want to hear it directly from Perry himself.
Otherwise, vote for Bachmann or Santorum. They are both conservatives. But keep in mind that neither of them have ever dealt with the border or illegals.
Obviously you are way more familiar with the inner workings of the Texas legislature than I am.
And that you still give Perry a B+ is impressive.
Didn’t he try to get rid of sanctuary cities? I thought the establishment and business lobby was what stood in the way of that?
I think he would be much stronger on these issues as a president because to remain as governor of Texas he could not be too mean to hispanics and still get elected.
That’s not pandering, that’s just politics. You can’t accomplish anything out of office.
Woo hoo! You’ve come through again, CW.
That should either help the uninformed on this thread or shut them up.
>>If Perry can support a plan that would identify and give visas to criminals, I mean illegal immigrants, so they can come and go freely across our borders, then he can support a plan that would identify and deport those very same criminals, I mean illegal immigrants, I mean guest workers.<<
No, you don’t mean “guest workers”; you don’t even mean “illegal immigrants”; you mean “criminals” as you so clearly state.
While granting that a lot of these “criminals,” as you describe them, are causing huge social problems in the States, the vast majority are here working to help their families succeed, whether here (illegally) or back in their home countries.
You can continue to be a hard-ass the rest of your life if you want, but if the Republican Party adopts your position, it will be a permanent minority party within 20 years, without a chance of recovery. Perry, and even Gingrich and Romney, and frankly, any humane person, understands that, so I’m comfortable that yours will not be the prevailing view of our party going forward.
Perry sounds to me like the candidate most likely to get the border under control, and then implement a guest worker program that satisfies most of the parties involved, with the obvious exception of people like you. I’m not sure who you’ll find to vote for, but I’m reasonably sure that person will never be the President of the United States.
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. Unfortunately, too many of the legalize pot crowd don’t know when to stop. All too many would toss in heroin and cocaine for good measure. In CA, too many podiatrists etc have been issuing frivolous scripts for medical pot, making the law a parody.
If these folks were REALLY about smaller government, they would start at the bottom ... Not with pot, but with penicillin and other non-narcotic medical prescriptions. That doesn’t even occur to them.
I am not in favor of the war on illegal drugs, but decriminalization is a step that cannot be walked back.
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