Posted on 12/19/2011 6:29:33 AM PST by Libloather
Vermont fraternity chapter closed indefinitely over rape survey
LISA RATHKE - Staff Writer
9:53 a.m. EST, December 17, 2011
MONTPELIER, Vt. (AP) — A University of Vermont fraternity whose members are accused of circulating a survey that asked who they would like to rape has been closed indefinitely.
The national Sigma Phi Epsilon made the announcement Friday after an internal investigation and lengthy discussions with the university in Burlington.
"Without suggesting that every member had knowledge of this questionnaire, the questions asked in the document are deplorable and absolutely inconsistent with our values," said Brian Warren, executive director of the national fraternity organization based in Richmond, Va.
The national organization has said there's no indication the questionnaire was sanctioned by the fraternity or distributed to the more than 50 members of the Vermont chapter.
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So who won the survey? Inquiring minds want to know.
This group of young men are the same age as those in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, WWII and WWI.
The disparity in maturity is stark.
They must have violated double-secret-probation.
At the University of Vermont, these frat boys must be a bunch of libs.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Remember we are talking about College aged kids here. Second an entire Fraternity was closed due to the actions of what appears to be a single person. So due to the fact that one knuckle head apparently sent out a irresponsible survey all the others were punished to make a Politically Correct statement. No hearing, no opportunity to find out who the person or persons were who did do this?
So to pander the FemNazis who want to be able to eject a young Man who has consensual sex on campus who may have made an alcohol fueled mistake. The US DOE is instituting a new procedure to eliminate due process for Men. This panders to the Feminists. Where is the due process? Where is there a sanction if the whole Fraternity was involved?
Shame on you for deciding to White Knight for the Feminists to punish and use the “nuclear option” and just close a Fraternity. So does the same apply if Sorority groups engage in promotion of say the “SCUM Manifesto”? Or if Sorority groups promote the “Good Rape” of a 13 year old in Eve Ensler’s “Vagina Monologues”???
This is clearly a double standard. Does the law and accountability apply equally to both Genders? Or do we continue to infantalize Women by protecting them from their bad decisions, while punishing Young Men?
Thank you Wrong Paul.
Liberal misuse of the system to punish normal behavior does not justify the opposite extreme of not standards at all. The kids weren't
t expelled, they just shut down their little club. Maybe their little club should have had some standards that were seriously enforced.
Boo hoo, their club got closed.
Do not try to sell anyone that a frat is more than that anywhere other than in the minds of its little members.
And for the record, as Ensler’s “Vagina Monologues” promotes lesbian pedophelia, yes, I have always been for expelling anyone associated with it from public funded academia - faculty as well as students. Peruse my past posting history. How do you like that one?
In Australia recently a Radical Feminist conference was held. That is promoting Sex selective abortions of Male babies. They are also promoting Gendercide the Mass Murder of Men. These Women many are involved in the education of Aussie Children. Where is the Conservative outrage? Where?
In Sweden a youtube video appeared based on Valerie Solanas SCUM Manifesto. Which advocated the murder of Men by Lesbians as “sport”, the Society for the Cutting Up of Men.
http://www.avoiceformen.com/a-voice-for-men/brown-university-declares-due-process-dead/
http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/capitol/throwing_away_free_speech_YnikCHdqC3h5RxRzDEXO6O
http://allecto.wordpress.com/2011/07/24/scum-conference-draft-program/
If it’s anything like the Sigma Phi Epsilon chapter from my college back in the day, I can’t say I’m really surprised. The “Sig Apes” (as those not in that house referred to them) were known for some pretty heavy testosterone-fueled “adventures”.
Not quite on the level of Delta Tau Chi, but close. If memory serves, I recall reading that the chapter at my college was either closed or placed under double secret probation not too long ago.
At the University of Vermont, these frat boys must be a bunch of libs.
Morality and ethics should be taught at home not enforced by the State. College was/is supposed to be about questioning and inquiry. As to the Wrong Paul comment go screw yourself. There is a war being waged against Men and Boys in our Feminized Education system. The young Men are entitled to due process a hearing at least to determine the person or persons responsible. The Nazis punished captured and occupied populations with the same method. It is called Fascism, the US used to be about Individual Liberty and Freedom. That includes the right to be an idiot and to say stupid things. If this survey led to criminal behavior we have laws to punish this.
This is thought crimes against the State. It smacks of the old USSR. I condemn boorish behavior. You are advocating punishment of the group for the actions of a person. You need to rethink your strategy. If you want to call me Wrong Paul for supporting Liberty. Thanks for the compliment. For the record. I am related to the Executive Presiding Judge of the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal. I understand History and have met persons who were imprisoned under the Old Soviet and East German system.
That is among the stupidest things I've EVER read.
Here is what our Founding Fathers believed:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,
Governments exist to protect individual rights and that means enforcing morality.
I suspect you are some sort of libertarian/anarchist who doesn't believe in government at all, but the reality is that ALL LAWS are about morality.
By your asinine philosophy government should do nothing to enforce laws against murder because it should be taught at home.
I think you need to pay closer attention. The national fraternity decided, after an investigation, to close the Vermont chapter. Neither the government or its quasi-proxy the university had anything to do with it. Sig Ep is clearly positioning itself to revive the chapter at a future date.
In my opinion, if the survey had been “who would you like to have sex with”, rather than “who would you like to rape”, it would probably have been received differently, though not embraced, certainly.
Um, please check your reply button. I think you confused me with another post. I was noting that the Sigma Phi Epsilon chapter at the college I attended some 30 years ago has had similar problems to these idiots in Vermont. And they were pulling these "pranks" long before the current wave of Politically Correct BS (which I have maintained for years is neither Political nor Correct) began to rear its ugly head.
Some other parents of freshman high school girls and I were discussing last night the issue of the degrading influence hip hop culture has had on respect for females. At one of the most sought after schools in the city, the boys call the girls “b88ches” directly and one young lady was called “a f888ing who88” in front of a bunch of other students, The boys believe this language is cool.
The music these young people listen to has evil lyrics, the overpowering and abuse of others described in the music is disgusting and wrong.
The pendulum needs to swing the other way,
There was a time that a group of fathers would have gotten together and had a survey about which of these little scamps they would like to take on a ride out to the north forty where they would “administer a certain understanding” on the little pranksters.
Just kidding, they wouldn’t have bothered with a survey.
How times have changed, and not for the better.
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