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Ending race-based admissions
Boston Globe ^ | Dec 18 2011 | Jeff Jarvis

Posted on 12/18/2011 11:19:03 AM PST by WilliamIII

WHEN THE Supreme Court, in the 2003 case of Grutter v. Bollinger , narrowly upheld the use of racial preferences at the University of Michigan Law School, it emphasized that such preferences were barely tolerable under the Constitution. They could be used only as a last resort, the court ruled, they must not unduly harm non-minorities, and public universities had to start finding ways to phase them out.

“We are mindful that ‘[a] core purpose of the 14th Amendment was to do away with all governmentally imposed discrimination based on race,’ ’’ Justice Sandra Day O’Connor wrote for a 5-4 majority . “Accordingly, race-conscious admissions policies must be limited in time. We see no reason to exempt race-conscious admissions programs from the requirement that all governmental use of race must have a logical end point. We expect that 25 years from now, the use of racial preferences will no longer be necessary to further the interest approved today.’’

But eight years later, race-based admissions show no sign of moving toward “a logical end point.’’ If anything they are more entrenched than ever.

(Excerpt) Read more at bostonglobe.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: affirmitiveaction; racebasedadmissions
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1 posted on 12/18/2011 11:19:08 AM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII
I try to maintain plausible deniability, but all my decisions are now race-based. I lived for 50 years being about as colorblind as I could be. I think I was quite successful at it. But I've changed my ways. Today? Show me the color of the person's skin, and I am prepared to pass judgement on that alone.

Thanks Obama! You've changed America!

2 posted on 12/18/2011 11:22:39 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war. It's coming.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

This decision was an excellent example of appointed judges making law. The intellectually challenged O’Connor actually said that twenty five years was all that was needed and the courts current interpretation of the constitution would change again. Gives the people a lot of confidence in the courts.


3 posted on 12/18/2011 11:44:24 AM PST by allendale
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To: allendale

Reagan was stampeded into picking O’Connor because of the clamor for a female justice. If only he had picked Robert Bork then, Bork might have been confirmed.


4 posted on 12/18/2011 11:47:57 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: WilliamIII
The justification for affirmative action rests upon the assumption that there is no difference in intelligence, energy, and general ability between different races. It then follows that any difference in outcome is the result of either deliberate discrimination or inadequate education. It therefore follows that by improving education opportunities and by banning discrimination, we should be able to eliminate racial differences within a generation or two.

This has not happened.

For liberals, to examine the validity of their assumptions is blasphemy, with the blasphemer to be burned at the stake.

5 posted on 12/18/2011 11:50:50 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: WilliamIII

All affirmative discrimination does is tell “minorities” that they don’t have to be as good as other prospective students. They don’t have to try very hard. That’s the worst thing you can tell anyone. It’s unfair, and it’s unfair to both students with superior scores who get turned down because they’re not the right ethnicity, and it’s unfair to minority students who grow up thinking the world owes them something...even if they’re not qualified.


6 posted on 12/18/2011 12:15:08 PM PST by driftless2
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To: WilliamIII
The recent "Affirmative Action Bake Sales" on some college and university campuses elicited howls of venom by the media and the left.

Why?

Because like all effective satire, it was based on truth.

Whites pay more for college so that blacks pay next to nothing in comparison. Whites have to outscore blacks and other races just to be accepted.

This isn't "leveling the playing field." It is blatant, hateful discrimination.

7 posted on 12/18/2011 12:29:53 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: WilliamIII
Uh, the link points to a Jeff Jacoby article...
8 posted on 12/18/2011 12:31:43 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: WilliamIII
A lot of freedoms and incentive to excel dissolved into a pool of civil rights back in the 60's and 70's. Trying to balance everything based on skin color is radically stupid.

Riots, sit-ins and demonstrations have replaced study, hard work, and ethics as a method of getting jobs and insuring America's growth.

EEO leaders often fail dramatically because they were promoted, or hired - not based on ability and experience - but on quotas and skin color alone.

I remember someone told me back in the late fifties as the "civil rights" was just cranking up with school integration that "this won't bring minorities up, it will bring everyone else down"...there was never a truer statement spoken.

But, color is not the issue...the issure is attitude...and it gets worse with every new priviledge. Race relations now are as low as - if not lower - than they were in the 60's...zero accomplishment.

Then along comes obama to drive even a bigger wedge between the races for his own selfish gain.

Admissions to schools should be based on achievement, SAT scores, and background checks. We need to stop handing out diplomas and masters' degrees like sales pamphlets...but, like printing money, the more bogus diplomas that are meted out on undeserving "graduates", the less all the other degrees mean.
9 posted on 12/18/2011 12:51:51 PM PST by FrankR (What you resist...PERSISTS!)
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To: allendale

Simple—any college who uses race as a base for admissions—should get no Government funding. Newt could do it—Obama or Mitten will not.


10 posted on 12/18/2011 12:55:56 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: PapaBear3625

“The justification for affirmative action rests upon the assumption that there is no difference in intelligence, energy, and general ability between different races.”

Actually it is based upon the assumption of genetic inferiority for some ethnic minorities and females. It is a public admission by the state that they cannot compete on their own merits.

Until the state eliminates those preferences, I’ll take their word for it on the inferiority.


11 posted on 12/18/2011 1:01:00 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: driftless2

“All affirmative discrimination does is tell “minorities” that they don’t have to be as good as other prospective students.”

It tells them that they aren’t as good as other students, period. When they hear other students speak, using English words they’ve only (maybe) seen on TV, they know they’re not “real” students. It has a very negative impact on how they view themselves, and “the system”.


12 posted on 12/18/2011 1:05:36 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: SkyPilot

Those bake sales were attacked because they made the affirmative action students have to face the charade they were engaged in; they were very well done. I don’t know that I would have discounted for the Asians; they’re being punished for their hard work by being demonized for it.


13 posted on 12/18/2011 1:08:39 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: FrankR

“the more bogus diplomas that are meted out on undeserving “graduates”, the less all the other degrees mean.”

I give a lot more weight to a degree for a white or Asian guy than I do for a “preferred” minority or woman; it is the logical thing to do as long as affirmative action is legal. White/Asian guys have to work twice as hard, and that isn’t lost on employers; in good times they could window-dress with tokens, and now they’re being slashed as the useless waste they are. Hopefully soon only the wheat will remain (whatever race or gender), while the chaff is discarded.

A lot of the layoffs by municipalities in the last few years were useless AA tokens; no loss there.


14 posted on 12/18/2011 1:13:14 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Verginius Rufus

Yeah remember the Time cover story: JUSTICE AT LAST !!

Like it had been so unfair in the past and now this judicial heavyweight finally gets her time on the bench.

Turns out this affirmative action justice was the decisive reverse discrimination vote. Talk about a conflict of interest.


15 posted on 12/18/2011 1:18:51 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (There's nothing more hypocritical than a white liberal calling someone else a "bigot")
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To: PapaBear3625
I was told once by a black professor that, in the case of an academic job search, if a member of a minority group meets the minimum announced requirements, that person gets preference, regardless of whether he or she is the best qualified. I think that's pretty much how affirmative action is supposed to work.

There are two rationales for affirmative action--either that the people who benefit from it can't make it on their own and need the help, or else that the people hiring or admitting are so prejudiced that they will never give a black/Hispanic/woman (or other "protected group" member) a fair shake. Of course the supporters of affirmative action assume the latter.

16 posted on 12/18/2011 2:55:43 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: kearnyirish2
I give a lot more weight to a degree for a white or Asian guy than I do for a “preferred” minority or woman

And I'd hire an English person before I'd ever hire any Irish person.

17 posted on 12/18/2011 3:00:30 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: Olog-hai; Berlin_Freeper
LOOK Olog-hai, these RACISTS kids left off the Irish, English, French, GERMAN and GEEK RACES!

YOU SHOULD IMEDIATLY FILE A STRONGLY WORDED PROTEST WITH A MODERATOR!!


18 posted on 12/18/2011 3:09:23 PM PST by FW190
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

“Simple—any college who uses race as a base for admissions——should get no government funding.”

How about no college receiving government funding period.


19 posted on 12/18/2011 3:23:17 PM PST by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: ladyjane

I’m Irish, and I’d hire an English person before an Irish person too.


20 posted on 12/18/2011 3:38:13 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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