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To: bruinbirdman

Remember when we defeated communists by isolating them economically and politically? Anybody?


9 posted on 12/17/2011 10:34:44 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan

You are equating apples with persimmons.

The China of today is not the Soviet Union of yesterday

The issues are far more complex


21 posted on 12/18/2011 2:31:35 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Last Dakotan
Remember when we defeated communists by isolating them economically and politically? Anybody?

The Chinese government is no longer communist, except in name. A more appropriate name would be the Chinese Fascist Party. In stealing the nation's land from its original owners, the Party used to say that all land in China belonged to the people. In effect this meant that all land belonged to Party members, since those members decided how the land was used and for whose benefit. Still, for many Chinese, this wasn't unbearable, since they did get to use the land for planting crops, etc. However, the Party's role in selling the land off without sufficient compensation has finally broken the unspoken covenant between the Party and the people - the Party is now saying that that the land they stole from the ancestors of the villagers can no longer be used by those villagers. This has the makings of an agrarian revolt. Mao Zedong took advantage of similar sentiments to become the Emperor of China while nominally being head of the Chinese Communist Party. It should be interesting to see if any political adventurers with Mao's ability to lead a revolution arise, and whether there is enough discontent for a critical mass of followers to coalesce around these charismatic figures sufficient to launch a violent revolt. The Party will not give up power without a fight, so the question is whether any violent revolt that comes about resembles the failed Taiping Revolution of the 19th century, or the successful Xinhai Revolution of 1911.

22 posted on 12/18/2011 2:42:40 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Last Dakotan
Remember when we defeated communists by isolating them economically and politically? Anybody?

The Chinese government is no longer communist, except in name. A more appropriate name would be the Chinese Fascist Party.

In stealing the nation's land from its original owners, the Party used to say that all land in China belonged to the people. In effect this meant that all land belonged to Party members, since those members decided how the land was used and for whose benefit. Still, for many Chinese, this wasn't unbearable, since they did get to use the land for planting crops, etc. However, the Party's role in selling the land off without sufficient compensation has finally broken the unspoken covenant between the Party and the people - the Party is now saying that that the land they stole from the ancestors of the villagers can no longer be used by those villagers. This has the makings of an agrarian revolt.

Mao Zedong took advantage of similar sentiments to become the Emperor of China while nominally being head of the Chinese Communist Party. It should be interesting to see if any political adventurers with Mao's ability to lead a revolution arise, and whether there is enough discontent for a critical mass of followers to coalesce around these charismatic figures sufficient to launch a violent revolt. The Party will not give up power without a fight, so the question is whether any violent revolt that comes about resembles the failed Taiping Revolution of the 19th century, or the successful Xinhai Revolution of 1911.

23 posted on 12/18/2011 2:43:13 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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