Posted on 12/16/2011 9:00:22 PM PST by Libloather
Paterno 'knew' about child abuse
AFP – 3 hrs ago
Former Penn State University American football coach Joe Paterno knew his assistant Jerry Sandusky had been seen molesting a child, grand jury testimony said on Friday.
Paterno's testimony was read in court during a preliminary hearing for two senior university officials accused of lying to a grand jury about what they were told of an incident of alleged child sex abuse by Sandusky.
At the conclusion of the hearing, Judge William C. Wenner ruled that prosecutors have enough evidence to send their cases against Penn State team officials Tim Curley and Gary Schultz to a trial.
The two are facing charges they lied about and failed to report the alleged sexual assault. Both had testified before an earlier grand jury that they did not think a crime had been committed.
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Why? Because of one child molster? If you think PSU football deserves the ‘death penalty’, how about Syracuse basketball?
One child molester, and an entire institution devoted to covering it up.
Just because of one creep, I don't think JoPa did anything wrong, except maybe being to loyal to Sandusky.
Yes, I been a PSU fan for years. Relatives been season tickets holder since 1930s.
In my opinion, the guy at the top, Graham - "I'll make Penn State the homo-friendliest campus in the nation" - Spanier was the single individual most responsible for Penn state's mess. If Sandusky had been raping little girls instead of little boys he'd have been flogged and jailed over a decade ago. Predatory homosexual predators must be handled with care, apparently.
I don’t think it was a cover up, more like it was followed up. JoPa said that he told the trustees, but he forgot to follow up on it. If that makes him a bad guy for accepting child abuse, than we better make sure we are perfect.
Are you familiar with the 1998 incident? Sandusky being allowed to 'retire" but coach a full season? Coach at least two seasons in the 1990s when this stuff was known? Bring a adolescent boy to spend the night at official team sleepovers? Sit with his boy toy date at the coaches' table at official pregame banquets and then sexually molest the boy in the room and the Toftrees Golf Resort and Conference Center surrounding by other Penn State coaches and players? And take his victims to at least two bowl games, where he could molest them as part of the official Penn State contingent?
Do you know about the 2000 'oral sex against the wall of the shower" deal?
The 'let Jerry Sandusky continue to hold sleepover athletic campus on a Penn State campus until 2008' bit?
This isn't just about Sandusky and one incident. The whole thing was hushed up and swept under the carpet - and facilitated - for over thirteen years so that the reputation of Penn State and Penn State football wouldn't be damaged.
Penn State gave Jerry Sandusky the "candy" to lure little boys for sexual molestation. The white panel van was the spa and showers in the Penn State football facility (and coaches meetings, and football sidelines, and pre-game banquets, and away games).
Even the state police commissioner of Pennsylvania said Paterno did wrong.
“McQueary is hard to understand. He apparently wanted to do something but couldn’t cope with what he’d seen and didn’t follow up as he should have. The latest story is that he didn’t witness a sexual act in the shower.
Paterno, Curley, Schultz...seem to have had vague, third-hand information of what happened.”
I would disagree with the above.
This is not what was described during yesterday’s hearing.
if you go to centredaily.com, you will see excellent coverage of the events.
McQueary’s testimony yesterday was graphic and certainly depicts a horrific sex crime.
JoePa’s grand jury testimony was read aloud for the record.
“vague third-hand” is not how I would describe it.
Did you see McQueary make the claim yesterday that he did not see Sandusky with boys after the 2002 incident?
What do you think the odds are that this is true?
If JoPa did anything wrong, I'll say that I am sorry. From what I read JoPa didn't follow up when he told PSU's trustees.
My speculation is perhaps Gricar HAD stumbled on to a much bigger operation involving the 2nd Mile and other PSU bigwigs...and was carrying out a long and thorough undercover investigation.
Perhaps, the end of the investigation was nearing. and the imminent bust was leaked. The “biggest drug bust in Center County” was just a convenient time to make Gricar disappear.
That - or Gricar himself was in on it - covered it all up...and then was made to disappear with all the evidence.
As for the searches about Hard Drives - we dont know whos hard drive he was interested in erasing
Pedophiles almost always go after fatherless kids because they know their life expectancy could be very, very short if Dad finds out. They're quite evil, but not necessarily stupid.
Respectfully, you're reading about a single event in a series of events that took place over more than thirteen years. They've been discussed and dissected on Free Republic and in the media for almost six weeks. That's not to question question your intelligence, but it's to alert you that it will take you several days a minimum to come to grips with the facts, and that's it's almost impossible to do so at this point because so many of the small facts were things you needed to learn as the story progressed - there are too many for any single article to include 1/20th of them at this point.
Colofornian, dfwgator, and I are among many FR members who have written more than 150-200 posts each on this matter since November 4 or 5, and discussed each new disclosure of facts as it took place.
Sandusky started a charity for trouble youth back around 1978; by that time, he was already a coach at Penn State. He played for Joe Paterno back around 1963-65, and except for about two years coaching elsewhere, was either a graduate assistant or a coach under Joe Paterno since then.
When this broke, the grand jury presentment involved only eight youth. However, we quickly found out that that there was another preteen youth that Penn State janitorial staff found Sandusky orally sodomizing in the Penn State football showers in 2000. The man who saw it was a Korean War veteran; yet he was crying and the other workers thought he was going to have a heart attack. They were all to scared to report it officially (they knew who Sandusky was - he was already an ex officio faculty member with complete access to all athletic facilities), but they talked among themselves.
We know that Sandusky was investigated by the DA, two police departments, and the child protection agency in 1998 - and in 1999, Paterno told Sandusky that, although he was the heir apparent to succeed Paterno, he wouldn't do so. So Sandusky, the long-time defensive coordinator and thirty-year PSU coach, announced his surprise early retirement.
Most Paterno supporters say that was JoePa's way of talking care of the problem. Penn State had the report - it's police were involved in the investigation - and instead of embarrassing the program, Sandusky was 'allowed' to resign instead of being fired. However, he didn't just retire. He was allowed to remain an emeritus faculty member and emeritus coach - with an office, complete access to all athletic facilities (24/7), a phone, internet connection (everything). He had been allowed to bring boys from his charity to 'inside' Penn State events when he was a coach - and after he was retired.
And when JoePa certainly knew about the investigation (the investigators themselves said that JoePa was "god" at Penn State and knew everything that went on), and the year after the report, Sandusky was allowed to announce his retirement at *the end of the season*. So the entire 1998 and 1999 seasons, one after his announced retirement, he kept bringing a boy to the official events, including sleepovers and banquets. Paterno, who knew of the report, and even acted on it by edging Sandusky out and getting his resignation/retirement, spent a season eating pregame meals at the coaches' table with Sandusky and his fourteen-year-old boy date, and watching Sandusky retire back to his room with a boy (whom Sandusky molested).
And Sandusky was allowed to bring boys after hours to the football spa, the football gym, the locker room - where he molested them. Even after he 'retired.'
After the 2002 anal rape? Penn State didn't tell ANY police department about it, not even the University Police. And Paterno knew. McQueary told him. The grand jury presentment was careful not to say what McQueary told Paterno.
In the aftermath, Sports Illustrated ran a special report and emails were linked. The women in charge of discipline of students had a problem with Paterno . . . Paterno complained successfully to the President that he alone should be allowed to decided whether football players should be disciplined or expelled for student infractions. Regular rules that applied to all other students and all athletes in sports other than football didn't apply to Paterno's players. There were specific cases of him forcing kids out when it helped the team . . . and of refusing to discuss minor issues like murders by just-dismissed football players. Of covering up infractions by players. Of downplaying and not disciplining DUIs when needed to help the team.
I grew up in Seattle wearing black electrical tape on a white backyard helmet so I could 'play' for JoePa in the backyard. I was stunned by the first revelation that a ten-year-old boy could be anally raped in the Penn State football showers after Paterno and the school already knew that Sandusky had a problem with little boys . . . but to know that they took no action, except actions to cover it up? And then to find that JoePa actually faked his sincerity about morals and discipline for decades?
Did you know that despite the 2002 anal rape case, Sandusky was still working out in the special football gym as recently as the Thursday before the Friday grand jury presentment? And still had his keys to Penn State and the football facilities until the Sunday AFTER the grand jury presementment? Nine years after the anal rape?
That's all just the tip of the iceberg. It really gets nasty if you actually want the details.
But Gricar was just the DA and was weeks away from retirement. He wouldn't be carrying out the investigation. There would be others - lots of others - who would have developed that information. They would be more dangerous to any PSU bigwigs involved in a pedophilia ring than Gricar would have been. And Gricar would have had ADAs working on the case if it were actually something ongoing.
DAs don't investigate in a vacuum. Think of any Law & Order generic episode; they're realistic regarding the police or other investigators developing the facts and the DA using those facts to bring the indictment and case. Gricar wouldn't be investigating the case.
Whether Gricar was in on it, he was divorced and was dating . . . but I'll note that he told his girlfriend he was going to shop at the antique mall at Lewisburg, where he frequently went. Lewisburg was (and may still be) well-known as a low-key haven for older and affluent gay couples and gay single men. Gricar either liked his antiques, or he frequented a town known as the wider area hangout for older, affluent gay men.
As for erasing somebody else's hard drive? One, that would likely be a federal crime (I'll have to do some research; the feds are tough on computer privacy). Two, it would be quite a coincidence. Some of his searches were specifically on destroying a hard drive with water. His county-issued laptop was found in the river without the hard drive. The hard drive was found in the river later, physically damaged and damaged by the water. Techs couldn't get a thing off of it.
But back to the main point. You couldn't just make Gricar disappear to solve your problem. There would likely be a cast of four to six at a minimum, and more likely around eight to ten on any long-term pedophile ring investigation that had reached the DA's office. Not Gricar alone.
You would think so. Gricar's brother committed suicide by drowning and they found his body (a different river). Gricar may have been despondent because he was retiring in just a few weeks, but his friends say he was looking forward to retirement. He wouldn't be the first guy to kill himself when facing retirement.
My guess is it was more likely a homicide, but given that there were no lines between Gricar and Penn State since 1999 (that's six years) and nothing going on regarding Sandusky and Penn State since 2002, I see Penn State as a convenient explanation more than a logical one. My guess is that as the Centre County prosecutor, Gricar made some enemies before electing not to prosecute Gricar in 1998 (because Gricar didn't do anything sexual to Victim #6 and "B.K."), and from 1998 to 2005. There are probably a dozen prosecutions of murderers, drug dealers in drug gangs, or other human trash, that would be more likely sources of Gricar's death, except for all of the Penn State publicity.
I'd hesitate to say. We know that Sandusky still had keys to everything athletic, including the exclusive football areas - except the football showers. We know that Sandusky had to move his sleepover camps to PSU's 'other' campus, although he was allowed to continue to host them. And Sandusky was told not to bring boys to campus, although AD Curley testified before the grand jury that there was no way to enforce that.
McQueary would have stayed around the football facilities (at Penn State, the football program has separate facilities for everything and does not share with other athletic programs). Sandusky could simply have moved his 'activities' to other buildings, or, as in the 2002 case, used the facilities off hours. McQueary only caught Sandusky by coming in at odd hours to put new sneakers in a locker and pick up some recruiting tapes.
Plus, McQueary is now in charge of recruiting. When he's not coaching football, he's on the road.
I don't doubt it. Too many millions at play. Gotta keep those donors and ticket holders believing in the institution. College football brings in a ton of money.
I believe that Mc Quarry told hthe PSU staff, but JoPa got second hand info.
Your belief is contrary to what is said in the grand jury report, and is contrary to what both McQueary and JoePa have stated otherwise. McQueary told JoePa himself, not the PSU staff.
That said, I am not sure if JoPa knew the whole thing
The grand jury report indicates that JoePa knew it was something of a sexual nature with a youngster.
I mean, when I was in Boy Scouts, the leaders took showers with the boys.
I hate to tell you this, but that is not normal behavior from any adult male. That's inappropriate behavior.
Yes, I been a PSU fan for years. Relatives been season tickets holder since 1930s.
Your affiliation with Penn State is clouding your judgment. Take a step or two back, and perhaps you'll see things more clearly.
If only football coaches were allowed to marry these type of tragedies could be avoided.
Let me see if I can say this in a way where it's not like me screaming "I told you so."
Colofornian, as you know, I've been saying since around November 7 that I read legal documents at least twice. Once for what's in them and once for what's not in them. From the beginning, it was clear that the Grand Jury presentment had a huge hole. Although it detailed each conversation between Party A and Party B, describing in detail what Party A said he said, and what Party B claims he was told, once link was clearly left out of the chain. The presentment never said what McQueary told Paterno.
I said this was because the DA did not want to publicly state what McQueary said he told Paterno; it would be embarrassing given Paterno's inaction and was Paterno said he was told.
I took a lot of flack from PSU and Paterno supporters, but as an attorney, it was a huge hole and it was clear from the beginning that the DA did not want to prosecute Paterno, but that Paterno was not telling the same story about what he was told as the story McQueary was telling about what he told Paterno.
So the answer is: Yes, Paterno likely could have been charged in perjury too. But the DA showed him respect as an 84-year-old, as the Penn State head coach, as an icon, and as a man he knew he couldn't convict.
Paterno lied. That's why there was a hole in the presentment.
I said it until it became annoying even to me. It was like the one missing piece in an othetwise-completed jigsaw puzzle. You saw exactly what it was shaped like.
Yep. This story confirms it.
“Penn State football had a $53 million profit last season, based on gross revenues of $72.7 million.”
Anybody know where this $53 million goes?
It will be interesting to compare some of the victims’ testimonies as compared to McQueary’s.
If they spent nights at Toftree’s and ate breakfasts with the team, it would seem inevitable that McQueary would see them.
Some victims describe being taken to practices.
Sandusky could have been sneaky enough to choose these “dates” carefully, by picking times when McQueary was out of town I suppose.
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