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(Anti-Israel) Ron Paul: Blame Israel First
FrontPageMag ^ | 13 Dec 11 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 12/14/2011 6:39:27 AM PST by xzins

Ron Paul: Blame Israel First

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Posted by Daniel Greenfield on Dec 13th, 2011

Do you know who the latest Zionist on the block is? It’s the man who called Israel, “an aggressive, national socialist state” and suggested that the original World Trade Center bombing may have really been carried out by Israel.

Then there’s the solicitation letter which boasted that this courageous fellow was exposing the, “Bohemian Grove–perverted, pagan playground of the powerful. Skull & Bones: the demonic fraternity that includes George Bush and leftist Senator John Kerry, Congress’s Mr. New Money. The Israeli lobby, which plays Congress like a cheap harmonica.”

So how is he a Zionist? Ask Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic. According to him, Ron Paul is, “in one sense, a true Zionist, a believer in two core values of the Jewish liberation movement: Jewish independence and Jewish self-reliance.” The “sense” in which this is true is the sense in which the segregationists were really a black power movement who wanted black people to be independent and self-reliant.

This discussion began when the Republican Jewish Coalition failed to invite Ron Paul to their forum of leading presidential candidates. The RJC had not invited Paul back in 2007 either and there was no obvious reason for them to have done so this time around. A forum is not a debate and a Jewish group has no obligation to invite an anti-Israel candidate, just as a Catholic pro-life group has no obligation to invite Nancy Pelosi. Goldberg perpetuates the myth that the issue is Ron Paul’s opposition to foreign aid. That is not the issue. If it were the issue, Governor Perry, who said that “The foreign aid budget in my administration for every country is going to start at zero dollars,” would not have been invited either.

Foreign aid is not the issue. The actual issue is that Ron Paul’s views on Israel and Jews (as well as American foreign policy) are indistinguishable from those of Pat Buchanan.

Ron Paul isn’t simply against foreign aid; he believes that the Israeli lobby controls Washington and involves American in foreign wars… and that this was among the causes of September 11. Paul has described the original World Trade Center bombing as a “retaliation” and during the Republican debates in 2007 and 2011 blamed American foreign policy for Al-Qaeda’s attacks.

The Buchanan comparison is true in more ways than one. Ron Paul has insisted that we should have stayed out of WW2 and let Nazi Germany and the USSR fight it out, and that by entering the war Churchill only prolonged it. Clearly this was another expression of Ron Paul’s Zionism and his desire to promote “Jewish independence and Jewish self-reliance.”

Ron Paul supporters will clamor that the above material comes from the Ron Paul Survival Report, which according to the Paul campaign was supposedly written for years by some mysterious stranger pretending to be Ron Paul. This unknown stranger discussed his time in Congress, his medical career and his wife Carol all in the first person. That the media actually bought this ridiculous explanation, even while actual Republicans were lynched for much less than writing in support of David Duke, should tell you all you need to know about Paul’s cheerleaders in the mainstream media. But let’s skip over the “Report” for a moment.

In an interview with Iranian television, Ron Paul complained that the president had not said anything to Israel about its horrible massacre, compared Gaza to a concentration camp, and made it rather clear that he sympathized with the terrorists. It wasn’t some unknown mysterious stranger signing Paul’s name to hateful screeds. It was the man himself doing an interview with the agents of a murderous regime responsible for the murders of numerous Americans.

What about the following statement in the House of Representatives?

“Bin Laden’s claims are straightforward. The U.S. defiles Islam with military bases on holy land in Saudi Arabia, its initiation of war against Iraq, with 12 years of persistent bombing, and its dollars and weapons being used against the Palestinians as the Palestinian territory shrinks and Israel’s occupation expands. There will be no peace in the world for the next 50 years or longer if we refuse to believe why those who are attacking us do it.”

Ron Paul isn’t calling for impartiality or agitating for non-interventionism because he supports Jewish self-reliance, but because he believes that Israel is the source of our problems. He has made it clear over and over again that he blames Israel’s own war on terrorists for terrorism, just as he blames America’s war on terror for terrorism against America.

Paul’s hatred for the United States government has led him to make a common intellectual cause with Islamic terrorists. As far back as his Survival Report days, Paul had gotten in the habit of responding to Islamic violence with conspiracy theories. When Tehran was calling for Rushdie’s head on a plate, Paul wondered if “Some of the people hyping the Rushdie affair have other motives? For example to make Moslems look bad for geopolitical reasons?” (Ron Paul Survival Report – April 1989)

In January 2002, Paul wrote, “How can we forever fail to address the provocative nature of U.S. taxpayer money being used to suppress and kill Palestinians and ignore the affront to the Islamic people that our military presence on their holy land of Saudi Arabia causes.” In that same article he described the terrorists as “those who so passionately hate us that suicide becomes a just and noble cause in their effort to kill and terrorize us”.

In his book, “A Foreign Policy of Freedom,” Ron Paul insisted that, “all recent presidents have reiterated our obligation to bleed for Israel.” American soldiers have never bled for Israel, but language of this sort plays well with Paul’s base, and continues feeding the myth that America’s confrontation with Islamic terror is due to Israel, rather than Islam.

Occasionally Paul switches gears and points out that a cutoff in foreign aid would be good for Israel. That may well be the case. I believe that and so do quite a few people who support Israel. But this issue stands entirely apart from Paul’s larger “Blame Israel” worldview.

Ron Paul is not simply anti-foreign aid, he is anti-Israel. That is the country he has singled out for blame over and over again. And while he has every right to his opinion, conservative Jewish groups have a right not to give him a forum.


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To: svcw

Next time read the links before you reply.


61 posted on 12/14/2011 2:11:11 PM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: algernonpj

And your point or anti-point?


62 posted on 12/14/2011 2:19:23 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: runninglips; xzins

If God will protect Israel they don’t need our help and if God doesn’t, we won’t be able to help - it will be 70 AD all over again. God’s will be done.

Wikipedia - “The Siege of Jerusalem in the year 70 AD was the decisive event of the First Jewish-Roman War. The Roman army, led by the future Emperor Titus, with Tiberius Julius Alexander as his second-in-command, besieged and conquered the city of Jerusalem, which had been occupied by its Jewish defenders in 66.

The siege ended with the sacking of the city and the destruction of its famous Second Temple. The destruction of both the first and second temples is still mourned annually as the Jewish fast Tisha B’Av. The Arch of Titus, celebrating the Roman sack of Jerusalem and the Temple, still stands in Rome.”


63 posted on 12/14/2011 2:26:41 PM PST by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: ex-snook; runninglips; Alamo-Girl

In sacred history God has used other kings, nations, emperors to protect or preserve Israel.

I will not be surprised if he does so again.


64 posted on 12/14/2011 2:36:09 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins

Like I said. He is nuts.

He is a strict libertarian. The ideal is interesting, till you realize that it is at heart a libertine philosphy.

He is doing this well not because of his ideas, but because of the lack of trust in the leading canidates right now.


65 posted on 12/14/2011 2:37:52 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Windflier

Interesting that you do not address the questions I posed. You seem to have the same form of orthodoxy as the Democrat voters of America. Too bad, a mind is a terrible thing to keep closed. Be well, and may God continue to look upon our country, and bless it, even in our imperfect ways.


66 posted on 12/14/2011 3:25:20 PM PST by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics. ProgressiveRepublicansInConservativeCostume)
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To: algernonpj

Thanks very much. I see that you went to a lot of trouble to research. Unfortunately, over the years, he has chisen to associate with Stormfront and recently has stated that Iran is not a threat. I think Paul is a foreign policy disaster.


67 posted on 12/14/2011 3:47:26 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: runninglips
Interesting that you do not address the questions I posed.

I think it's interesting that a so-called conservative would default to a 'blame America first' stance.

Anyone taking such a position is on my automatic dismissal list, and isn't deserving of a civil response.

68 posted on 12/14/2011 5:10:05 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: xzins; svcw; Quix; ontap; HereInTheHeartland; iowamark; Keith in Iowa; Waywardson; jjotto; ...

Before you all jump to conclusions, that’s standard denial/misdirection/strawman tactics.

I remain surprised that his supporters even try to deny the reality of what Ron Paul is, until I realize, they do so in order to conceal what they themselves are, so they can continue to operate here.

Ron Paul wrote those newsletters, did so with his own hand, and to continue to deny that he did so is obnoxious and offensive, and should be grounds for zotting.

Ron Paul’s a 9/11 Truther — again, why should his butt-boys continue to operate here and not be zotted?


69 posted on 12/14/2011 5:21:45 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Agreed


70 posted on 12/14/2011 5:31:00 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Ron Paul’s a 9/11 Truther — again, why should his butt-boys continue to operate here and not be zotted?

Contrary to urban legend, the boss has enormous patience with wayward Freepers. Especially those who have some tenure.

I've got a way itchier trigger finger than he does, but then again, he doesn't let me hold the zot gun.

71 posted on 12/14/2011 6:07:36 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: xzins

I wish just ONE reporter or media person would ask him about his positions regarding Israel, Iran and the middle east. What a bunch of slackers. Even Hannity won’t so it.


72 posted on 12/14/2011 6:16:30 PM PST by cookcounty (2012 choice: It's the Tea Party or the Slumber Party.)
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To: runninglips
"Just remember, the next "global cop" will most likely be wearing a PRC uniform,"

.................and as far I as I can tell, Ron Paul is OK with that.

73 posted on 12/14/2011 6:24:02 PM PST by cookcounty (2012 choice: It's the Tea Party or the Slumber Party.)
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To: algernonpj
Ron Paul: "I define foreign aid as taking money from poor people in rich countries and giving it to rich people in poor countries."

That has a nice epigrammatic structure but it's false. Poor people in rich countries ARE NOT the source of foreign aid. That Paul would say something this ignorant shows why he is so loved by the OWS extremists. This is the kind of jingly but nonsensical comment that Barak Obama would say.

Poor people pay NO Federal taxes. Ron is sooo out of touch.

74 posted on 12/14/2011 6:34:25 PM PST by cookcounty (2012 choice: It's the Tea Party or the Slumber Party.)
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To: xzins
Indeed, God may do just that. Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
75 posted on 12/14/2011 9:39:21 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: cookcounty
That has a nice epigrammatic structure but it's false. Poor people in rich countries ARE NOT the source of foreign aid. That Paul would say something this ignorant shows why he is so loved by the OWS extremists. This is the kind of jingly but nonsensical comment that Barak Obama would say.

Poor people pay NO Federal taxes. Ron is sooo out of touch.


As far as the 'poor' paying no taxes, the real poor in the US are those working and making a smidge over what the upper eligibility limits for all kinds of federal and state freebies.

OTH generational recipients of welfare, anchor babies, illegal aliens, many brand new immigrants, low income immigrants, and their respective extended families in practice aren't poor. Although technically poor because of their lack of reportable income or extremely reportable low income, these people are eligible for so many freebies they actually live better that the 'working poor' and many of the middle class.
76 posted on 12/15/2011 4:45:40 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: svcw; runninglips
svcw to runninglips:If they (Israel) is attacked we should back them.......interesting you say that and are a Paul supporter.

SVC, had you bothered to read one of the links I posted you would have found: ...
Newsmax: What should our relationship be with Israel?

Ron Paul: We should be their friend and their trading partner. They are a democracy and we share many values with them. But we should not be their master. We should not dictate where their borders will be nor should we have veto power over their foreign policy. ...
Newsmax: What then, if anything, should we do for Israel?

Ron Paul: We should share intelligence for mutually agreed-upon goals. We should honor our pledge to refuse any arms sales that would undermine Israel’s qualitative military edge in the region.

But we should stop interfering with them. We should not announce bargaining positions even before she begins her negotiations. We should not dictate what she can and cannot do. We should stop trying to buy her allegiance. And Israel should stop sacrificing their sovereignty as an independent state to us or anybody else, no matter how well-intentioned
77 posted on 12/15/2011 4:55:23 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: onyx; All
Thanks very much. I see that you went to a lot of trouble to research. Unfortunately, over the years, he has chisen to associate with Stormfront and recently has stated that Iran is not a threat. I think Paul is a foreign policy disaster.

As to the Stormfront and David Duke, how many of us would deny that institutionalized racism and discrimination against christians, western civilization, and descendants of ethnic europeans has been legalized over the years through the use of political correctness (a marxist tool).

It has been in your face in Obama's and Clinton's administrations, but behind your back under Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. Slowly and steadily we have moved from rewarding hard work, and talent to rewarding sexual orientation, non-christian religion, atheism, non-european ethnicity, non-white color of your skin. Rewarding following has been replaced by PC based, crony based selective enforcement of the law.

The MSM would smear anyone against Political Correctness as racist, xenophobic, homophobic, by implication aligned with all the policies of the Stormfront, etc.

If you read Paul on Duke, Paul was against both forced segregation and forced integration.

As to foreign policy I'll use the example of Israel.
post # 77

From the same Interview:
Newsmax: Some object to your policy of cutting foreign aid to Israel.

Ron Paul: I have objected to all foreign aid. I define foreign aid as taking money from poor people in rich countries and giving it to rich people in poor countries. We just can’t keep doing this. We don’t have the money anymore.

Stop and consider America’s policy: We give $3 billion a year to Israel in loans; and we give $12 billion or more in assistance to Israel’s self-declared enemies. Some of these are countries that say they will drive Israel into the sea.

Add foreign aid to Israel's enemies to the fact that ultimately spent spent invaluable human treasure in the form of death & disability of our finest to set up Islamic Republics based on Sharia in Iraq and Afghanistan, then continuing necon foreign policy, aided and abetted the Moslem Brotherhood in Libya and Egypt - how does any of this help Israel?

I took the time to write because we are in DEEP trouble and it's disturbing to see ideas summarily dismissed because they are advocated by people that have been quite successfully smeared by the marxist MSM. Paul, Keyes, and Tancredo come to mind.
78 posted on 12/15/2011 5:51:33 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: algernonpj

Huh? As Paul has said he has no problem with countries who are the sworn enemy of Israel, where every military advance and weapon is designed to wipe them from the face of the earth. Why? Paul says they don’t really mean it, it’s just talk.
Paul is delusional when it comes to foreign policy. His followers appear to be truthers, he himself blames the US for 9/11. He makes excuses for terrorist.
I don’t want a man who is not interested in defending the country as president.
Let’s cut to the chase. Paul is by his actions over the years, his votes, his writings, his supporters, his base and anti-Semitic. For me that is a bottom line issue, it’s a deal breaker.


79 posted on 12/15/2011 6:43:26 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: svcw

I guess Yuri was correct. sigh/


80 posted on 12/15/2011 7:43:06 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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