Posted on 12/14/2011 6:39:27 AM PST by xzins
Ron Paul: Blame Israel First
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/12/13/ron-paul-not-anti-foreign-aid-anti-israel/2/
Posted by Daniel Greenfield on Dec 13th, 2011
Do you know who the latest Zionist on the block is? It’s the man who called Israel, “an aggressive, national socialist state” and suggested that the original World Trade Center bombing may have really been carried out by Israel.
Then there’s the solicitation letter which boasted that this courageous fellow was exposing the, “Bohemian Grove–perverted, pagan playground of the powerful. Skull & Bones: the demonic fraternity that includes George Bush and leftist Senator John Kerry, Congress’s Mr. New Money. The Israeli lobby, which plays Congress like a cheap harmonica.”
So how is he a Zionist? Ask Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic. According to him, Ron Paul is, “in one sense, a true Zionist, a believer in two core values of the Jewish liberation movement: Jewish independence and Jewish self-reliance.” The “sense” in which this is true is the sense in which the segregationists were really a black power movement who wanted black people to be independent and self-reliant.
This discussion began when the Republican Jewish Coalition failed to invite Ron Paul to their forum of leading presidential candidates. The RJC had not invited Paul back in 2007 either and there was no obvious reason for them to have done so this time around. A forum is not a debate and a Jewish group has no obligation to invite an anti-Israel candidate, just as a Catholic pro-life group has no obligation to invite Nancy Pelosi. Goldberg perpetuates the myth that the issue is Ron Paul’s opposition to foreign aid. That is not the issue. If it were the issue, Governor Perry, who said that “The foreign aid budget in my administration for every country is going to start at zero dollars,” would not have been invited either.
Foreign aid is not the issue. The actual issue is that Ron Paul’s views on Israel and Jews (as well as American foreign policy) are indistinguishable from those of Pat Buchanan.
Ron Paul isn’t simply against foreign aid; he believes that the Israeli lobby controls Washington and involves American in foreign wars… and that this was among the causes of September 11. Paul has described the original World Trade Center bombing as a “retaliation” and during the Republican debates in 2007 and 2011 blamed American foreign policy for Al-Qaeda’s attacks.
The Buchanan comparison is true in more ways than one. Ron Paul has insisted that we should have stayed out of WW2 and let Nazi Germany and the USSR fight it out, and that by entering the war Churchill only prolonged it. Clearly this was another expression of Ron Paul’s Zionism and his desire to promote “Jewish independence and Jewish self-reliance.”
Ron Paul supporters will clamor that the above material comes from the Ron Paul Survival Report, which according to the Paul campaign was supposedly written for years by some mysterious stranger pretending to be Ron Paul. This unknown stranger discussed his time in Congress, his medical career and his wife Carol all in the first person. That the media actually bought this ridiculous explanation, even while actual Republicans were lynched for much less than writing in support of David Duke, should tell you all you need to know about Paul’s cheerleaders in the mainstream media. But let’s skip over the “Report” for a moment.
In an interview with Iranian television, Ron Paul complained that the president had not said anything to Israel about its horrible massacre, compared Gaza to a concentration camp, and made it rather clear that he sympathized with the terrorists. It wasn’t some unknown mysterious stranger signing Paul’s name to hateful screeds. It was the man himself doing an interview with the agents of a murderous regime responsible for the murders of numerous Americans.
What about the following statement in the House of Representatives?
“Bin Laden’s claims are straightforward. The U.S. defiles Islam with military bases on holy land in Saudi Arabia, its initiation of war against Iraq, with 12 years of persistent bombing, and its dollars and weapons being used against the Palestinians as the Palestinian territory shrinks and Israel’s occupation expands. There will be no peace in the world for the next 50 years or longer if we refuse to believe why those who are attacking us do it.”
Ron Paul isn’t calling for impartiality or agitating for non-interventionism because he supports Jewish self-reliance, but because he believes that Israel is the source of our problems. He has made it clear over and over again that he blames Israel’s own war on terrorists for terrorism, just as he blames America’s war on terror for terrorism against America.
Paul’s hatred for the United States government has led him to make a common intellectual cause with Islamic terrorists. As far back as his Survival Report days, Paul had gotten in the habit of responding to Islamic violence with conspiracy theories. When Tehran was calling for Rushdie’s head on a plate, Paul wondered if “Some of the people hyping the Rushdie affair have other motives? For example to make Moslems look bad for geopolitical reasons?” (Ron Paul Survival Report – April 1989)
In January 2002, Paul wrote, “How can we forever fail to address the provocative nature of U.S. taxpayer money being used to suppress and kill Palestinians and ignore the affront to the Islamic people that our military presence on their holy land of Saudi Arabia causes.” In that same article he described the terrorists as “those who so passionately hate us that suicide becomes a just and noble cause in their effort to kill and terrorize us”.
In his book, “A Foreign Policy of Freedom,” Ron Paul insisted that, “all recent presidents have reiterated our obligation to bleed for Israel.” American soldiers have never bled for Israel, but language of this sort plays well with Paul’s base, and continues feeding the myth that America’s confrontation with Islamic terror is due to Israel, rather than Islam.
Occasionally Paul switches gears and points out that a cutoff in foreign aid would be good for Israel. That may well be the case. I believe that and so do quite a few people who support Israel. But this issue stands entirely apart from Paul’s larger “Blame Israel” worldview.
Ron Paul is not simply anti-foreign aid, he is anti-Israel. That is the country he has singled out for blame over and over again. And while he has every right to his opinion, conservative Jewish groups have a right not to give him a forum.
Paul is the nutty guy on the dorm floor. Has a few interesting ideas until you realize he is co co for coco puffs.
Foreign aid SHOULD be used but sparingly; and for the right reasons.
We use it to influence things for OUR interests. There is NOTHING wrong with doing things in our nations best interests.
The Paul supporters who don't understand this are naive fools.
This foolish notion that we can just sit behind our borders and not interact in the world, is utterly foolish.
Ron Paul called Jews nazis. The man is either malicious or an idiot.
Israel is our only sure, long-term, committed ally in the Mid-East. National interest alone should prevent our kowtowing to their enemies.
God handled Israel’s international relationships in the past via the world’s great powers (Egypt, Babylon, Persia, Greeece, Rome). That suggests He might well do the same in our era.
Pat Buchanen and Ron Paul are anti-Israel. It’s a fact, and it’s not about foreign aid; they oppose the nation of Israel. Explain that.
BTW, Israel earns the military aid our own self-interest provided them.
UH huh,
And if the a-holes had given Israel it’s true borders, there would be NO Syria,Jordan etc. Sure would have solved a lot of problems. Instead they invented the Palestinians to harass the Israelis.
Face it, Paul is an anti-Semite.
Ah no sweetie, God Almighty created Israel.
UH huh,
And if the a-holes had given Israel it’s true borders, there would be NO Syria,Jordan etc. Sure would have solved a lot of problems. Instead they invented the Palestinians to harass the Israelis.
Face it, Paul is an anti-Semite.
http://www.bible-history.com/geography/ancient-israel/israel-first-century.html
Ron Paul wants Iran to have a nuclear bomb.
He believes in backing off and shutting up and leaving them alone.
That is isolationist with a bullet.
Worse than that, it is evidence that he doesn’t even believe in an ACTIVE Defense. He represents passive defense, the most dangerous variety of defense.
It's sane, rational FReepers like you that keep me coming back to a website dominated more and more every day by big-gov't (R) loving, neocon keyboard warriors.
Very few of us are able to grasp the fact that gov't, at the fed, state & local level, constitutes the bulk of the threat to our lives, liberty and property.
A question to you - do you agree that we, as individual Christians, have a duty to support Israel?
I think that we need to support any nation that promotes freedom and liberty. We also need to have a special relationship with Israel. That includes agreements to help them militarily if they are directly attacked, and free and open trading with them. I also see no problem with extending them credit to buy military hardware. I see problems when we extend our defensive borders to ANYWHERE in the world, for any problem. I see the problem as being that we are war, every minute, of every day, in far away lands, for people that hate us now, and will hate us more in the future. You can always find “friends” when handing out goodies. Cut all of them off, and find out who your friends truly are.
Last question - what's an intelligent person like you doing here at FR? I see you signed up just a couple of years ago, long after the typical FReeper went off the deep end (see just about every post on this thread not by you for examples).
It was a heck of a lot better place back in the pre-9/11 years, let me tell ya.
As your tagline announces your position (Ron Paul 2012), it also announces the answer you expect to this question about Christianity's support for Israel.
Of course we are to support Israel. It is our only dependable ally in the Mid-East.
I suspect, though, that you are asking if Christians are obligated by their religion to support Israel.
The Apostle Paul says in Romans 11:
1 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew.
Don't you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah--how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 "Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me" ?
4 And what was God's answer to him? "I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal."
5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.
To reiterate Paul's words, at this time there is a remnant chosen by grace.
Aren't you just special, LJ. You mean that whole year you were here before 9/11?
Now you post like spurned stepchild, get over yourself.
Have a lot of that pending to do. Sigh.
Ahhhhhh the devastating caveat.
Evidently some didn't go down to Sam's and buy a truck load of insight when they woke up from being liberal idiots. I'm continually shocked at how many seem that way.
INDEED.
Joel Rosenberg asserts that there’s at least 7,000 Messianic Jews in Israel. . . . ‘who haven’t bowed their knee to baal.’
Foreign aid is not the issue. The actual issue is that Ron Paul’s views on Israel and Jews (as well as American foreign policy) are indistinguishable from those of Pat Buchanan.Ron Paul isn’t simply against foreign aid; he believes that the Israeli lobby controls Washington and involves American in foreign wars… and that this was among the causes of September 11. Paul has described the original World Trade Center bombing as a “retaliation” and during the Republican debates in 2007 and 2011 blamed American foreign policy for Al-Qaeda’s attacks.
The Buchanan comparison is true in more ways than one. Ron Paul has insisted that we should have stayed out of WW2 and let Nazi Germany and the USSR fight it out, and that by entering the war Churchill only prolonged it. Clearly this was another expression of Ron Paul’s Zionism and his desire to promote “Jewish independence and Jewish self-reliance.”
Ron Paul= Jihadist for president, one step above hope and change, Alinsky, isolationism ansd the destruction of the rest of America as it once was, a vote for him is like, like a vote for Ho ho ho Chi Minh, a vote for the Khmai Rouge, a vote for Pol Pot, a vote for Stalinm, a vote for Chairman Mao and his 63 million dead in just one decade, a vote for Hitler, anyone that doesn’t agree TO THE GULAGs you swine!
God keeps all of His promises. Every. Single. One.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, [and] the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts [is] his name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, [then] the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD. - Jer 31:33-37
And the Song of Moses will be sung along with the Song of the Lamb:
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.
For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance. - Romans 11:25-29
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