Posted on 12/13/2011 9:46:57 AM PST by TSgt
To Kentucky: Then make the goddam things illegal and suffer the consequences of no collected taxes on them, diminished businesses, lost jobs - all increasing YOUR taxes and increasing the payouts for medical costs - this will not decrease healthcare costs. And when you find out, you can start on your next ‘unhealthy’ product, practice or trait you dislike...nothing but damned NAZIs...
Good post........
I don’t call a 54% tally a ‘clear’ majority....likely within the MOE - additionally, this country is a country of laws, not mob rule. If you want smoking banned, ban the damned cigarettes alltogether then and then figure out how you’re gonna replace all those taxes paid on them in your state.
I have no problems with people making their own choices as long as it does not impact my health.
I am a non-smoker. I never have smoked. My dad got lung cancder from smokikng when he was 35. It was just a fluke that it was caught before it killed him.
If a business owner has a property, or a free association has a club, I see no reason why it is any of my business whether they smoked or not. If necessary, they could hire only smokers to work there.
I find that a majority most vociferous anti-smokling crusaders:
1. have no problem with permissive abortion laws, and at least have used their anti-smoking zealotry a replacement for other, more serious ills (e.g. out-of-wedlock relations).
2. are after my bacon cheesburger next.
I don’t want my country to become one big Bloombergville.
Actually slavery was constitutional, being protected (Art. 4, Sec. 2) and institutionalized (Art. 1, Sec. 2) in that document. That's why it required an amendment to end it.
Our media and even our Government have become so successful at fragmenting our society on hyped-up topics and 'issues' that we seldom see they are banning chickens even as we call for bans on cracking the 'wrong' end of the egg.
Consider that a study found only 7% of Americans to have common sense, and fewer than half practice critical thinking (or we wouldn't have the Pres__ent we have), we permit mob rule at our mutual peril.
Even assuming the second-hand smoke studies that show harm were true, a restaurant owner's choice to allow smoking in his establishment does not impact your health one iota. Your choice to go to that establishment would.
My problem with it is government violating private property rights.
I DO NOT believe that any government, or group of private individuals, has the right to dictate what legal activities I choose to allow on my own property. That is at the sole discretion of the property owner.
If I own a restaurant, a bar or any other non-residential property it should be up to me whether or not I want to allow smoking, and up to my customers to vote with their feet.
Government can control government buildings and public property, nothing else.
I never cease to be amazed at conservatives who want to dictate the behavior of others based on their own preferences. Do you want a nanny state or do you not?
You can't have it both ways.
We do not live in a majority rule society and God willing we never will.
“It ought to be totally up to the property owner if anyone smokes there or not.”
But that would be freedom! Crazy talk!
There is nothing conservative about supporting “majority rule” ie rule by the mob. Majoritarianism is for populists and mouth breathers, but I repeat myself.
Not only would there be lost revenue from taxes and lost jobs for farmers and manufacturers, but there would be the additional financial burden for the cost of fighting the crime that would start due to black market tobacco. People would go to jail for selling and buying cigarettes (more money for jails and more cases clogging the court systems), and people would die running what would become yet another illegal drug.
Good Lord, does anyone remember Prohibition? Do any of you really think that making cigarettes illegal would be a good thing?
Holy cow it drives me crazy when people, who consider themselves lovers of freedom, advocate infringing on the rights of others just because the demonized behavior of the week is something they personally don't like.
My comments are in general and not to you personally, Gaffer.
Understood
So if I open a PRIVATE business I can allow smoking in it correct? It would be privately owned but open to the public.
I am sure they will be just as successful with this as they were in ending the Moonshine trade
Unlike 2nd hand smoke, it is reality that some folks can actually die in reaction to peanuts or bee stings.
So far in Ky both peanut butter sandwiches and bee-keeping remain recklessly permitted.
Just so you know.
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