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To: AuH2ORepublican

As I said (post 9) “get out the Bible and show me where it says to celebrate December 25 as a holy day”

What you’ve done was to quote Catholic dogma. But God’s word is silent on the matter of December 25.


31 posted on 12/12/2011 1:09:29 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

The Catholic Church does not have any dogma that declares the actual date of Christ’s birth. The Church makes no statement of fact about the actual date.

The Church set the annual commemoration date of Christ’s birth as December 25 over 1500 years ago, basing that on the best calculation based on the knowledge of the day.

The Orthodox use the eve of January 6 to celebrate Christmas (they call it the Nativity of the Lord), a date that Catholics also celebrate but as Epiphany (the revelation of God the Son as a human being in Jesus Christ, specifically the visitation of the Biblical Magi to the Baby Jesus, and thus Jesus’ physical manifestation to the Gentiles).

While most people who love Jesus will be celebrating the fact that he was born sometime between December 25 and January 6, I wish you all the best on your dull ordinary December 25th, if you insist. May your heart be warmed by the satisfaction that you won’t play by anybody else’s rules.


33 posted on 12/12/2011 1:23:06 PM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: Responsibility2nd

The Catholic Church does not have any dogma that declares the actual date of Christ’s birth. The Church makes no statement of fact about the actual date.

The Church set the annual commemoration date of Christ’s birth as December 25 over 1500 years ago, basing that on the best calculation based on the knowledge of the day.

The Orthodox use the eve of January 6 to celebrate Christmas (they call it the Nativity of the Lord), a date that Catholics also celebrate but as Epiphany (the revelation of God the Son as a human being in Jesus Christ, specifically the visitation of the Biblical Magi to the Baby Jesus, and thus Jesus’ physical manifestation to the Gentiles).

While most people who love Jesus will be celebrating sometime between December 25 and January 6 the fact that He was born, I wish you all the best on your dull ordinary December 25th, if you insist. May your heart be warmed by the satisfaction that you won’t play by anybody else’s rules.


34 posted on 12/12/2011 1:23:59 PM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: Responsibility2nd

I assume that you don’t celebrate Easter either, since its (movable) date was established by the First Council of Nicaea in 325 based on Christian traditions (much like December 25 was established as Christmas in the first few centuries of the Church), and the Bible doesn’t actually say “in 2012, it will be held on April 8.”

While, in theory, one could celebrate the birth of Christ and His Resurrection every day if one is so afraid of celebrating them on the wrong date, I assume that such celebrations would necessarily be quite subdued, and I think that it must suck not to be able to celebrate Christmas or Easter with great joy and merriment because of fear that the selection of such dates was tainted by the incipient papism of 4th century Christians.


35 posted on 12/12/2011 1:32:57 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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