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Gingrich on Obama’s healthcare law: ‘About 300 pages are pretty good’ [300 out of 2,409]
The Hill ^ | 9/30/2011 | James Klatell

Posted on 12/09/2011 7:10:27 PM PST by Hoodat

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) called for an immediate repeal of President Obama's healthcare law but would reinstate "a little over 10 percent" of it.

He made the remarks on Thursday in Iowa, when he introduced a new version of his "Contract with America."

Gingrich, a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, listed "Repeal ObamaCare" as the first of his 10 part contract.

"The reason you have to repeal it is it's a 2,700-page document," Gingrich said. "You can't repeal part of it, because candidly you can't trust the staffs to tell you which part you ought to repeal."

But the former Speaker stressed that he had a "common-sense replacement" for the nation's healthcare system, and that some of that comes from the law he wants repealed.

"Now there are about 300 pages that are pretty good, a little over 10 percent, but they should be part of the replace document," Gingrich said.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: georgia; gingrich; newt; newtcare; newtgingrich; obamacare; zerocare
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To: madmaximus
FUNG! ©

Better get that one copyrighted.

141 posted on 12/10/2011 9:07:30 AM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: ez

You used the term FORCE as if the government would be involved


142 posted on 12/10/2011 9:09:14 AM PST by uncbob
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To: LibsRJerks
What is your source for this?

Me.

Some good ideas contained here — a lot of common sense.

Thanks. I've written two books dealing with environmental policy. The first proposed a free-market environmental management system. Managing land is all about competing risks, so it was based upon using insurance to account for intangible or unpredictable risks out of which came a business method patent. Extending those ideas to a range of other societal problems wasn't that hard.

During the Bill Simon debacle in California, Arnold Schwarzenegger successfully sold the claim that there is such a thing as a "fiscal conservative" without social conservatism. As a result, I put together a booklet of such stuff about eight years ago in the hope that I could get people to understand HOW conservatism solves real societal problems.

Nobody would read it because it covered so many issues that it was too much to think about in one go. They'd start, get excited, and crash and burn. It was meant to be considered one issue at a time. I was hoping to empower grass roots activists with ideas that they could either print out and share or distribute by email but it just didn't get any traction. So I never finished it. This was just one of them.

It would have made good column or blog material, but I have too much on my plate to manage all that. Oh well.

143 posted on 12/10/2011 9:10:17 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Democrats are and always have been the Party of the Extremely Rich, the Party of Slavery.)
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To: Psalm 144
The bottom line is that none of these candidates are worthy of your vote.

I am trying to think of something to say to refute you...

The alternative is four more years of 0.

144 posted on 12/10/2011 9:13:13 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Hoodat

No, I’d rather others pick it up and use it as well. Besides, I’m fairly certain I’m not the first to say it on here.


145 posted on 12/10/2011 9:27:37 AM PST by madmaximus (Mickey Mouse/Donald Duck 2012 Yes we can!!!)
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To: Hoodat

“The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit” “you are not your own”. The Spirit owns the body.

No one, no organization, no so called “insurance company” , no government, no judge, no insurance company invested in the CDO bank scam, no financial lobby, no government insurance lobby, no bureau, no agency, no 2700 pages, no 300 pages, no 10 pages, not any page,..has any say in the body, but the Holy Spirit Himself.

The Spirit dwells within.


146 posted on 12/10/2011 9:27:57 AM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp)
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To: uncbob; devolve

Ever heard of market “forces?” Wow. Never seen so many people obsess over one word. A free market WOULD FORCE them to set their price where people can afford it. You people are the one’s who assumed government or I would force them to do something against their will...I didn’t say it. It’s not my fault you can’t read English.


147 posted on 12/10/2011 9:33:32 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: USS Alaska
Force... your version of the free market at work?

Yeah. Ever heard of "market forces?" A free market would force them to accept what people could afford to pay.

148 posted on 12/10/2011 9:37:51 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: devolve; potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; Jim Robinson; smoothsailing; Travis McGee
You would be right if I had said "what a person could afford to pay", meaning every individual person would pay a different amount based on what they could afford, but I didn't say that. I said "what people could afford to pay" meaning that the price would be set based on what the market, as a whole, dictated. I swear reading comprehension has gone south around here lately.

And by the way, thanks for spreading your ignorance far and wide and forcing me to undo the damage by tracking down everyone you pinged with your crap, a$$hat.

149 posted on 12/10/2011 9:50:09 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: driftdiver

Was lots right here at FR that trashed her. She deserved more support is all I am saying!


150 posted on 12/10/2011 10:06:03 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: ez
I am not as educated as you on this subject, so I won’t pretend to know more than I do. All I know is that, for example, in auto repair, I can go to any garage I choose, so the repair shops must compete for my business by keeping their prices competitive.

Except that auto repair shops as well as many other businesses are now 'organized' into their own unions...Their labor rates are all pretty much identical...

They go to a book to see how long the repair should take and charge you that rate...It the repair takes too long, they'll add something to it so they don't lose money...

If the repair is too quick, they charge you according to how long the book says the job 'should' take...

Same with junk yards...There's a 'blue book' for used parts...

Same with new cars...Same with wash machines...

There's no such thing as competition anymore...

I suspect it's the same with doctors and hospitals...

151 posted on 12/10/2011 10:09:58 AM PST by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailerpark...)
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To: ez; devolve; potlatch
In any transaction, price is set by an agreement between buyer and seller. With health insurance, the patient is no longer the buyer. It is the health insurer that becomes the buyer, thus severely limiting the number of negotiable transactions. Because of this, the number of sellers also becomes limited. Thus, the effect is that prices are set above the fully competitive equilibrium and services are reduced.

Medicare is especially prone to the latter. Patients are prohibited from negotiating a price from a provider. The patient finds that the doctor is no longer willing to accept the price that Medicare pays, yet the patient is prohibited by law from increasing the price offered from his/her own pocket.

As a rule, in any system where a fully competitive market (many buyers, many sellers, easy access to the market) is replaced by oligopolist forces, the end consumer suffers. Unfortunately, this most basic of economic principles is beyond the comprehension of the smartest man in the room - N. Leroy Gingrich.

152 posted on 12/10/2011 10:12:07 AM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Hoodat
Maybe you should pay close attention to Newt's market, patient and state centered plans.
153 posted on 12/10/2011 10:14:10 AM PST by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelect Obama and Speaker Pelosi.)
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To: Hoodat

It’s getting to the point where there is only one thing that matters, who would Newt appoint to the Supreme Court. Most of his policies are utter crap, but the only saving grace he has is who would his choices for the Supreme Court be, that’s the question that needs to be answered.


154 posted on 12/10/2011 10:17:30 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

I would up the ante and find out which Senate candidates would be willing to remove Kagan from the bench after impeachment.


155 posted on 12/10/2011 10:20:19 AM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Hoodat
As a rule, in any system where a fully competitive market (many buyers, many sellers, easy access to the market) is replaced by oligopolist forces, the end consumer suffers.

Thank you, that's what I'm talking about. I've been called a communist and a marxist on this thread for advocating free market reforms, lol.

156 posted on 12/10/2011 10:22:19 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Carry_Okie
Ironically, your "deep end of the pool" part of the beautiful essay describes a private sector service which has just begun to become available and I've just signed a contract to market/sell it at a very attractive price.

In fact, your whole essay reads like a presentation fit for pre-educating any buyer intellectually interested enough to actually read it for comprehension, let alone put any of it into use in their lifestyle.

The concept of "prevention" saving everybody from everything is only possible with GovernMental Nannying and nagging as in Mcgruff, the crime dog. In crime prevention, we could never afford to put cops on every corner to eliminate some forms of obviously common misdemeanors. Likewise, living in aging bodies with slowly developing minds from the get-go is certainly not going to become more cost effective with GovernMental administration and penetration into the most minute corners of everyone's lives. Now that's truly insane!!!

That also coincides with the title of your article. Again I have played "straight man," or at least "trigger man" for you to release your excellent ability to distill great vistas of human existance and overwhelming issues into a really cogent essay that really makes good sense. Of course it surely helps have a family member directly involved in the issue at the business end!!!

157 posted on 12/10/2011 10:38:03 AM PST by SierraWasp (I'm done being disappointed by "He/She is the only one who can win" and being embarrassed later!!!)
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To: ez; devolve

“If I had my way I would outlaw health insurance and force doctors and hospitals to accept what people could afford to pay.”

Since I was pinged here by both of you, My reply is intended for both of you.

The part about “what people could afford to pay” wasn’t what I focused on. It was “If I had my way I would outlaw health insurance and force doctors and hospitals to accept”.

My reading of that was that you, ez, as an individual would dictate the abolishment of health insurance and you would dictate that doctors and hospitals were forbidden to set their own rates for services. Is not that the role of a king or some other absolute ruler?

As I read other posts on this thread by you, you explained your words to mean you were supporting free markets and market forces. It would have been easier for everyone if you had said that in the first place.


158 posted on 12/10/2011 10:38:06 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Bshaw
I see a proposal to adopt direct negotiation and payment to the care provider — a private matter with no third party dictates.

If there is no third party, who is "forcing" the doctors?

"force doctors and hospitals to accept what people could afford to pay."

You might as well say, "Force people to pay doctors and hospitals what they want to charge."

The free enterprise system does not involve "force". If people want your goods or services, they must pay. If they can't pay they don't get the goods or services. P>Healthcare is often a life or death proposition. but people who invested huge amounts of effort and sacrifice to become doctors deserve to be commensurately compensated and the amount should not be "forced" on them.

159 posted on 12/10/2011 10:40:00 AM PST by Prokopton (.)
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To: Theodore R.

Sorry but “The Great Society” was LBJ’s big thang... Nixon was bad enough without wrapping him in another TX president’s liberal spending BS!!!


160 posted on 12/10/2011 10:42:50 AM PST by SierraWasp (I'm done being disappointed by "He/She is the only one who can win" and being embarrassed later!!!)
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