Semantics is a reason why people don't understand that Hitler and Mussolini were socialists and their ideology were very similar. This fraudulent "Left-Right" cr*p just made people think that Stalin and Hitler and Mussolini were opposites when in fact they were extremely similar--and Marx was a socialist also. They were all fascists-- power hungry maniacs who wanted total control over the masses. Only degree of control differed and who they were allowed to worship--the State or Allah. .
Groveling over naming the fascism of all these men only accomplishes the inability to recognize "fascism" in all its forms---like in islam.
Fascism: 1. often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2. a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
Muslims are certainly fascist--much more so, and evil, than Mussolini--I will give you that---in fact, Mussolini actually made the trains run on time.
You should read: Leftism Revisited: From De Sade to Marx; from Hitler to Pol Pot.
All the movements: Communism, Marxism, Fascism, Socialism are leftist movements as are Democracies (which even Stalin admitted is the road to Communism). Democracies are leftist (mob rule) type of fascism over minorities and eventually lead to tyranny (fascism).
Alexis de Tocqueville wrote beautifully about "democracies".
Ciao again and thanks for answering,
The threads here at Freeperonia move so quickly that I guess this one’s already on page 23. So this is just for the record.
Emotions are fine and I won’t deny them, however I listed substantial and not merely semantic differences between Fascism and Islamism.
What you say about the common roots of socialism and Fascism is true. In the case of Mussolini, the inventor of Fascism, literally true. He was the editor-in-chief of the organ of the Socialist party “Avanti” (Forward). It’s just that at a certain point he saw that Nationalism (unreasonable love of one’s country) was much stronger than the supposed international bonds of the working class. So he shifted gears and became a little Caesar.
In any case with the help of the Socialists, Italy’s fledgling liberal (in the European sense) democracy had completely broken down and in the first years, Mussolini had tremendous popular and even international support to put the country on track again. The roots are the enlightenment’s deification of the state, which took different turns, some more malignant and some more benign in plenty of countries, USA included.
So I agree with most of what you’ve written concerning the connection between fascism and socialism.
You say:
Semantics is a reason why people don’t understand that Hitler and Mussolini were socialists and their ideology were very similar.
I say:
Semantics is why people have unthinkingly accepted the suffix of “fascism” in Islamo-Fascism.
When the Muslims nearly overran Europe and were - Deo Gratias - stopped at the Gates of Vienna, or much earlier at Tours, was there any mention of Fascism? Were they not simply called “The Mohammadans?” What were they fighting about back then? The right of free assembly, freedom of the press, one-man-one-vote? Or saving Christianity regardless of political notions that were centuries from being cooked up?
I can agree that evil in every form shares many traits. Even the gangs of Los Angeles have things in common with the Gazwa raids of the Muslims and it seems that the Mexican Mafias also have a penchant for beheading. Nonetheless, it’s of little use to say the Islamo-Crips or Islamo-drug-Cartel (even though it’s no secret that the Taliban deal drugs!)
Islam is something in and of itself. It’s ancient and has weathered many storms and many defeats. It is a religion much older than any western political system... none of which has lasted a tenth as long.
Fascism only lasted 20 years and was for all intents and purposes forgotten and repudiated in the country that invented it.
In the timeline of History it’s a blip. Pinochet, the Chilean Fascist, is today mostly forgotten, transcended in Chile... (though Newt keeps bringing up the rather successful pension plan that the Dictator implemented there).
The discussion of the wrongness of the term Islamo-Fascism is not purely academic. Because of it, western leaders figure that bringing “Democracy” to the Islamic countries will solve the problems there and deliver “rights”. That didn’t work out too well, did it?
It also gives the impression of an enemy with U-Boats and uniforms and a Supreme Command that can be vanquished the way the Nazis (who were technologically advanced) as well as the Italians (who on the military front were - with a few exceptions, charlatans).
After supposedly “winning” the war in Iraq was there any rush to gain Iraki scientists?
What is it about Islam that made science and technology languish, whereas the same cannot be said either about the Nazis or the Soviets?
I meantioned women, half of humanity. How many women could a card-carrying Fascist or Nazi be allwed to marry? How many possessions of the right hand did Pinochet allow the Chileans? Do you see any burquas in Fascist, Nazi or Soviet art?
You say:
“Groveling over naming the fascism of all these men only accomplishes the inability to recognize “fascism” in all its forms-—like in islam.”
I say:
Tagging Islam with suffixes or prefixes of Western systems, entirely misses what Islam is: an ancient enemy that was hellbent and remains hellbent on world domination. When Islam spread from Portugal to India in 100 years after the death of Mo, It wasn’t Fascism that they were delivering, but a soul-killing ethos, something different.
In closing, you will see how the term Fascist has become synonymous with the very concept of evil. I posit that the term Islamo-Fascism really means Islamo-bad. I think you are the victim of shaky semantics far more than I.
No wait. Who is the strong man of Islam? Each Fascist state had a strong man who once toppled ended the Fascism in his country. Kindly point out the strong man of Islam.