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Big day at Boeing: Contract flies
Seattle Times ^ | December 8, 2011 | Dominic Gates

Posted on 12/08/2011 3:10:44 PM PST by jazusamo

Boeing's Machinists voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to approve the deal announced a week ago, providing an immediate economic boost and the prospect of aerospace job security in the Puget Sound region.

The vote was 74 percent in favor, sealing five years of labor peace for Boeing by extending the current Machinists contract to September 2016.

In that period, Boeing plans to pump out jets at unprecedented rates. Beyond that, the deal commits Boeing to build the new version of its single-aisle jet due to enter service in 2017 — the 737 MAX — in Renton.

Last month, a report commissioned by Gov. Chris Gregoire estimated that 8,000 direct jobs and another 12,000 indirect jobs in Washington state were at stake with the MAX decision, as well as $500 million a year in tax revenue.

The yes vote is also expected to end the National Labor Relations Board case against Boeing, as the union said it would withdraw its complaint and the NLRB has signaled it will then drop the charge.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: South Carolina; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: boeing; iam; nlrb; unionthugs
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1 posted on 12/08/2011 3:10:55 PM PST by jazusamo
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To: Baynative; upchuck

Boeing Ping!


2 posted on 12/08/2011 3:12:17 PM PST by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
I watched a speciel last night on "Modern Marvels" about the B2 bomber.

What a machine.

... I thought of Bob Dornan and that Sanchez thief and ...


I think it was Carl Sagen that had the show, "Connections"


I think I'm getting older.

3 posted on 12/08/2011 3:24:59 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: jazusamo
It is a great day. Never in my 25 years at Boeing have I ever seen IAM settle on a contract so fast, and by such a huge margin. Both sides knew a long strike next September would have meant the end of production in Renton.

Cool Video - The Production of Boeing 737 “Florida One” in time lapse photography. If you blink you may miss me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=zKnsyYbfC60&feature=popular

4 posted on 12/08/2011 3:36:41 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: knarf

Twenty or so years ago the wife and I were headed north on 395 just north of Adelanto, CA. All of a sudden the wife said “WHAT’S THAT?,” she was really excited. It was a B2 headed right over us at about 700 or 800 feet going from East to West, probably headed to Edwards AFB. I rolled the window down and couldn’t even hear it, it was a beautiful sight.


5 posted on 12/08/2011 3:44:43 PM PST by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: NavyCanDo

Agreed, it’s good, both for WA and SC.

Thanks for the great video link. That is one BIG spray booth! LOL!


6 posted on 12/08/2011 3:49:44 PM PST by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: knarf
I think it was Carl Sagen that had the show, "Connections"

James Burke was the host. An outstanding show for all ages.

7 posted on 12/08/2011 3:53:03 PM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: jazusamo

So I take it this means no new high paying jobs in South Carolina?

Union bosses and their enablers in the Obama administration again keep their grasp on union jobs with union dues going directly to keeping the entrenched Dem pols in power.


8 posted on 12/08/2011 3:53:19 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave

Chocta alea est.

The die is cast. South Carolina’s going to continue to grow. If it takes fifty years, Boeing will have qualified assembly workers and engineers in a right to work state.

Learned a classic lesson in the last couple of decades - never sole source your supply chain, especially your labor supply chain.


9 posted on 12/08/2011 3:59:38 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: CedarDave

It looks to me like the union jobs stay in WA and the new SC plant will go on as non union, just like the employees voted about a year ago and the NLRB suit will be dropped.

I don’t know what the wage scale in the SC Boeing plant is but the employees seemed happy to have voted non union.


10 posted on 12/08/2011 4:03:23 PM PST by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
“Thanks for the great video link. That is one BIG spray booth! “

And one heck of a eco-friendly ventilation system. You can walk in their when there is no spraying going on and there is zero aroma from paint.

11 posted on 12/08/2011 4:21:05 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: jazusamo
There is a lot of misconceptions about the Unions in both states. WA has a large non-union or salaried work force that actually make pretty good money. And SC has Unions, but they have a non-closed shops meaning Union membership is not required for employment in those represented fields.

The biggest different is WA Unions have a nasty record of going on strike every fours years. Boeing can't keep shutting down production for 60 days at a time. The last time it hurt the company in a major way.

12 posted on 12/08/2011 4:27:26 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: SunTzuWu
That WAS a good show ...

I wonder how many (of our) synapses were connected the way THEY wanted them to be ...

13 posted on 12/08/2011 4:28:10 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: NavyCanDo

I didn’t realize the SC employees still had a union. I knew it’s a right to work state but I thought they voted the union out after Boeing bought the plant, I know they had an election about the union.

We’ve lived here about 15 years now, I well remember the union strikes at Boeing and especially the last one you mentioned and how it hurt them.

Thanks for the info.


14 posted on 12/08/2011 4:39:05 PM PST by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: knarf

“I watched a speciel last night on “Modern Marvels” about the B2 bomber.

What a machine.”

It sure is, and we should have built many more than we have. There are billions in sunk engineering costs, and only 18 (IIRC) planes left to show for it.

People complain about the idea of an $800 million airplane, I guess they don’t realize a 747 goes for about $200 million. If we’d built, say, 100 B-2s, the cost would have gone down to about double a 747, a real steal given the advanced technology involved. Plus we could afford to lose a few from attrition or enemy action.


15 posted on 12/08/2011 4:50:16 PM PST by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!)
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To: jazusamo
There are more unions at Boeing than the Machinist Union. Engineers and Planners have a separate Union, though they rarely strike. The Boeing truck drivers are in their own Union, I think they are Teamsters. And many of the Subsidiaries and non Boeing suppliers such as Spirit where the 737 body sections are made have union shops. So just because there is a SC plant does not mean workers are all non-union. Same here in WA. Almost my entire office building is non-union.
16 posted on 12/08/2011 5:19:47 PM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: jazusamo; l8pilot; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; ...
South Carolina
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From the article:

The union will inform the government that its grievance with Boeing over the placement of work in South Carolina is resolved. With that settlement, the National Labor Relations Board will likely drop the case against Boeing.

A good day for South Carolina.

17 posted on 12/08/2011 5:24:37 PM PST by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: NavyCanDo

“It is a great day. Never in my 25 years at Boeing have I ever seen IAM settle on a contract so fast, and by such a huge margin. Both sides knew a long strike next September would have meant the end of production in Renton.”

Actually, by the time this contract concludes, China will be producing jets that will compete against both Boeing and Airbus...so this acceptance was a VERY WISE move by the IAM. They will have a lot more to worry about next time around.


18 posted on 12/08/2011 5:43:41 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: PreciousLiberty

“People complain about the idea of an $800 million airplane...”

And the plane would have cost some $10 billion a copy, if they had built 2 of them.

The idea of criticizing the cost of a program by diving the total cost by the number built ANGERS the hell out of me in these cases, when we never got near going into a production mode.

In fact, had we actually produced even 100 copies of this bird (still a puny amount), the average, per airplane, cost would have wound up being in line with the B51 and the B1, when factoring in inflation. This was not an overly expensive aircraft to produce...but if I asked GM for a one-of-a-kind car model, I’d have to pay well over $100M for that one car.


19 posted on 12/08/2011 5:49:48 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: jazusamo

That we allow labor unions to exist in the United States with the protection and encouragement of the government is admission of the general belief that Karl Marx was right.


20 posted on 12/08/2011 5:58:50 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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