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To: Jim from C-Town

Really? So unless one is married in THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, Catholics don’t considered you married at all?

Puh-leaze. If you’re gonna make up stuff, at least do a better job of it.


225 posted on 12/05/2011 11:59:08 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Really? So unless one is married in THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, Catholics don’t considered you married at all?

Quite the opposite. That is why so many people seek annulments before entering the Church. If what you say here were true then Newt wouldn't have needed one. If, however, two Christians were married then, in the eyes of the Church, their marriage would be assumed to be valid and so any problems must be assessed before any other sacraments are received. For instance, if a person wants to be Catholic and they have divorced and remarried they have a problem. The Church does not recognize divorce and so they are technically still married to the first person. The only way they can be Catholic and continue in their current marriage is if the first happens to have been invalid due to some question of matter or form. Perhaps they were too young, or maybe their first spouse was also their first cousin, or something like that.

Unfortunately many annulments are now automatic and seem based on nothing, making them nothing more than Catholic divorces. But this is just an abuse and doesn't really negate the value of the definition of Christian marriage or the necessity of proper form and matter. The actual concept just recognizes that not all marriages are valid from the start and so admits that a sacramental union was never actually in existence.

242 posted on 12/05/2011 12:38:41 PM PST by cothrige
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To: Responsibility2nd
Check it out, pal. As far as MARRIAGE in the Church is concerned, that is correct.

Sorry, but Marriage is civil AND religious construct. The Church is only concerned about the religious. Marriages outside the Catholic Church ARE NOT considered religious marriages BY THE CHURCH of ROME.

244 posted on 12/05/2011 12:55:00 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Check it out, pal. As far as MARRIAGE in the Church is concerned, that is correct.

Sorry, but Marriage is civil AND religious construct. The Church is only concerned about the religious. Marriages outside the Catholic Church ARE NOT considered religious marriages BY THE CHURCH of ROME.

247 posted on 12/05/2011 1:02:03 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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