ATF memo describes operation designed to get guns to Mexico

Gun Rights Examiner ^ | Dec 2, 2011 | David Codrea

[thouworm]

See the memo itself in the sidebar media player, obtained by Mike Vanderboegh of Sipsey Street Irregulars and posted exclusively on Gun Rights Examiner.

[snip] [Of significance in the Styers memo Lajeunesse references but does not detail...]

“The most important observation of Styers is that the ATF end of this operation was by all law enforcement standards set up to fail,” Vanderboegh said in a phone conversation with this reporter moments ago. “Indeed, it seems Styers’ opinion was that this was designed to be a necessary fail.

“Styers describes an ATF operation that is deliberately incomplete, seeming to shield the individuals who received the weapons from the straw buyers” Vanderboegh continued. “His letter is consistent with what the whistleblowers told us early on.

“This is an operation that was designed to get guns to Mexico,” he concluded.

[thouworm]

Related threads about William Lajeunesse's article:

Memo Shows Early ATF Concern on Fast and Furious Probe Despite Claims (Exclusive new memo obtained)

Memo Shows Early ATF Concern on Fast and Furious Probe Despite Claims

[thouworm]

Ping

[spodefly]

If I were the leader of a country, and a neighboring country supplied arms to insurgents (cartels) inside my country, I would consider that an Act of War.

[Tilted Irish Kilt]

” “This is an operation that was designed to get guns to Mexico,” he concluded.”

Quite true !
As a side-consequence , it would provide the administration with the justification to limit second amendment rights of lawful American citizens.
It would demonstrate their allegation that American firearms were going into Mexico .

Mexican officials were NEVER notified !
The FED armed Mexican cartels !
The ATF superiors ORDERED agents to : “STAND DOWN” and not follow.
An International crime occurred !
The guilty parties should be tried in Mexico , after trial in the U.S.

[PGalt]

The guilty parties should be tried in Mexico , after trial in the U.S.

BUMP!

[HangnJudge]

...I would consider that an Act of War.

I wish I could disagree with you
Deliberate Subversion of a duly elected
Sovereign State can be construed
as a declared war if it is a work of a nation

A criminal act if it is a act of an
individual or organization

[thouworm]

“If I were the leader of a country, and a neighboring country supplied arms to insurgents (cartels) inside my country, I would consider that an Act of War.”

Absolutely! This is the point that doesn’t get enough attention.
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Mexican officials learned of “Gunwalker” from news reports
http://www.qando.net/?p=11607
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“At no time did we know or were we made aware that there might have been arms trafficking permitted,” Mexican Attorney General Marisela Morales told the Los Angeles Times in a recent interview. “In no way would we have allowed it, because it is an attack on the safety of Mexicans.”

Morales apparently found out about the deadly U.S. program by reading news reports. And she says Mexico still has not received an explanation from American officials — let alone an apology.

While reluctant to speak out before the results of pending American investigations, the chief Mexican law enforcement officer told the Times that purposefully allowing guns into the hands of Mexican cartels would be a “betrayal” of her country.

And according to Congressmen probing the gunrunning scheme such as Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) and Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), that is exactly what happened.

http://thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/north-america-mainmenu-36/9064-mexican-officials-furious-over-atf-gunrunning

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[Deaf Smith]

I see that Mexican Attorney General Marisela Morales is attempting to hone his legal skills by filing extradition papers for six gun traffickers.
http://internationalextraditionblog.com/tag/mexico-seeks-extradition-of-gun-traffickers/
Baby steps. Next should be the BATF&E agents and their superiors.

[MurrietaMadman]

Judging by the silence coming from the aggrieved country of Mexico, I say some Mexican officials learned of "Gunwalker" from news reports.

Now that F&F has clearly shown the options available in the cooperative governments playbook doesn't it make you have to consider a similar technique was first applied in the drug war?

Instead of a good cop/bad cop scenario it's a concerned responsible big sis/professional victim role player thing.

How long has Mexico pointed their accusatory finger only at the American people as bearing the blame for the drug flow north? And how has the politicians responded? One not so recent plan they hatched sends money Mexico's way to ramp up military action against the malleable cartels. It seems the success of the program is that it is shaking out mostly bit players. That and it's military is being upgraded.

I am not against ending the drug blight on humanity, I'm saying that those who through the years argued the war on drugs as we know it is not what we believe it is have a better grasp on the game than most.

What happened shortly after the Obama administration took over? Someone got the idea to use that game plan against the Second Amendment and suddenly Calderon comes out swinging against the gun traffic from the North into Mexico and the executive branch jumps right on it. It's a cooperative effort and obviously not all Mexican officials have the need to know.

I'm holding to the eventual NAU introduction to mark the end game, if this F&F scandal is buried.

[printhead]

Marisela ends with an A. He is a she.

[Qbert]

"Styers describes an ATF operation that is deliberately incomplete, seeming to shield the individuals who received the weapons from the straw buyers” Vanderboegh continued. “His letter is consistent with what the whistleblowers told us early on.

“This is an operation that was designed to get guns to Mexico,” he concluded."

- God bless (and protect) the whistleblowers. Thanks for the ping, thouworm.

[TigersEye]

Maybe it's both. On this side of the border it's violations of the RICO Act. In Mexico and Honduras it's state-sponsored terrorism.

What else would you call heavily arming international criminal syndicates within a foreign country wherein that country is in a death struggle with those syndicates?

Especially when it goes beyond thousands of assault rifles to include grenades, RPGs, shoulder fired rockets, anti-aircraft guns, night vision equipment, body armor and special deals to bring their drugs onto our soil with legal impunity?

Not to mention the just-revealed news that the rip crew that killed BP Agent Brian Terry was there with DEA and FBI assistance and approval to attack and kill a rival cartel's smuggling crew.

It's organized, it is spread through every Federal LEA and it violates numerous domestic laws and numerous statutes and treaties that deal with foreign nations. Yet none of it has been officially sanctioned. It's the FedGov acting like mafiosa.

0bama, Holder and Hillary Clinton are all deeply involved in this and it is state-sponsored terrorism. These Chicago machine Marxist thugs are dragging our country down to the level of Tehran and Pyongyang.

[MarkL]

If I were the leader of a country, and a neighboring country supplied arms to insurgents (cartels) inside my country, I would consider that an Act of War.

You'd think so, but then our own government has had proof for years that Iran has been actively supplying the Taliban and insurgents in Afghanistan and Iraq, killing our troops, and nothing from the administrations.

Mark

[PGalt]

Good point...interesting point. Advancing a foreign/international agenda...implementing a domestic/international agenda?

[little jeremiah]

Must read tomorrow.