Posted on 12/02/2011 1:25:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
.."I think he's got a pretty good argument to make about his time as speaker, in terms of results," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., who served with Gingrich in the House and has not endorsed a presidential candidate. "The real purpose of a president, I think, is to find common ground with Congress to solve our problems. Newt has been in that mix."
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I don’t know about any hidden agendas but I do know this:
Many Freepers were very unfair to Perry when it was his turn in the sun. They completely misrepresented his stand on illegals, in my opinion, and willfully and maliciously misstated it.
Cincinatus’ Wife did a very good job of defending against those false charges.
Now, Perry has slipped. Maybe not irrevocably (I guess anything can happen) but so significantly that any sane supporter must look inwards and reassess and ask the reasons why.
Cincinatus’ Wife is not doing that. She is turning around and doing to Newt what those miscreants in FR did to Perry.
And saying the same thing they said: “I’m just ____” whatever.
Fill in the blank. What she says about what she’s doing now is pretty much like what they said when they were unfairly pilloring Perry, which I always defended Perry against, btw.
My sole argument against Perry is his absolute unelectability.
If you’ve visited the many posts I’ve made on Gov. Perry where I good naturedly took hits from posters who had someone else they supported — and responded with information and links, you might not feel the need to personally attack me.
I feel that grabbing onto Newt is a dangerous path and I will say it.
WELL, you're wrong. And since you can't defend Newt you have decided to impugn me.
As a Perry supporter, I have to say that I love your well-reasoned post. I have been adamantly against Cain and don’t get why he had so much support here. I think Rick Perry is totally underestimated as the true conservative I believe him to be. That being said, all of us, no matter which candidate we support, need a Plan B. I would say Newt would fit that bill. He’s not afraid to take on the media, he will skewer obama in the debates and he has the leadership qualities we desperately need.
Newt Gingrich is not Winston Churchill but he might just be Margaret Thatcher.
I think he’s more like HW Bush. After him, the country will turn to another Clinton.
I never got on the Cain train.
I went from Palin, to Perry, to WTF am I gonna do, to, finally, Newt.
(I have never stopped supporting and even loving Sarah Palin, but she’s not running, and as an adult I accept that.)
As for your other questions, I think they are basically irrelevant given the fact that you personally have changed so much.
Remember the Cincinatus’ Wife you used to be? A series of positive posts about your chosen candidate, Perry.
What are you doing now? Attacking a front-runner just because he’s the front-runner.
What does that make you. It makes you one of THEM. The same THEM who pilloried Perry with unreasonable attacks just because he was the front runner.
You want to be one of THEM?
My only thought is, and I sincerely apologize in advance if I am wrong, is that you are paid by the Perry campaign.
That would be one explanation for your change in character.
If that’s the case, I can respect that, given the current state of our economy. But I don’t respect that you don’t admit to it, if it is indeed the case.
If it’s not the case, then you I think an explanation for your “change” is forthcoming.
I think you owe us that.
My sole argument against Perry is his absolute unelectability.
My argument for Perry is the absolute unacceptability of Newt and Mitt.
I want to remind you of an article you posted a few days ago. You praised Perry for not attacking other candidates. Also, Perry showed admiration for Newt in saying a perfect running mate would be a combination of Herman and Newt.So if RP were to be the nominee and he chose Newt as a running mate, how much dammage have you done so far running down Newt. Take a page out of the Perry playbook and quit knocking the canditate Perry might just pick for a running mate.
That makes no sense. I am posting about Newt because he is BIG trouble and he isn't the GOP savior! Somehow you have morphed that into my attacking him because he's leading in the polls. So now I'm one of "THEM?" And you go on to imply I'm PAID by Perry's campaign. I'M NOT! Nor am I associated with any political group promoting a candidate -- so I'll accept your apology.
Cute how now I have to defend myself against unfounded accusations of working for Romney, working for Perry, and having "changed" because I don't want Newt wielding the power of the executive branch -- he's a flake!
I see this has turned into a anti- CW-Perry thread so as to avoid addressing the obvious Newt problems pointed out in the article.
As to your admonishment directed toward me, Rick Perry would not tap Newt for the VP slot. I would be shocked if he did.
I am no fan of Newt. But eastforker did a very good job in post 48 of pointing out your situational ethics. So quit whining, you got busted.
I see no fault in your Pro-Perry articles, they are great, but, other than Romney, the other candidates should not be alienated. If RP was to win the nomination, we are gonna need all the support we can get from the others and it does not help if you keep painting them all in a negative way. Please stop it, you are doing more harm than good.
1. he is a professional politician unlike, say Cain
2. despite this, running Texas is unlike running the Fed because Texas doesn't have that complexity -- the country would be better off if it copied Texas in many ways, but the fact is that at a federal level it is highly complex and he may not be able to navigate through this to even dismantle the system.
3. most important he will be massacred by Obama in the debates. We can say folks should look at performance, but remember -- Obambi got elected having done NOTHING, so even taking all the good that Perry has done in comparison will be ignored by the rest of the electorate if he humms and haws.
Keeping this in mind, the only 3 (maybe 4) candidates who can demolish Obambi in debates are Romney (yes), Paul, Cain and Gingrich.
Romney no one is going to support. Paul is a maverick and would not get much of a vot. Cain and Gingrich are the viable alternatives
Perry for all his good, is not a viable option.
Really? When did that happen? I guess a lot of FReepers didn't get that directive.
Gov. Rick Perry is the Executive of the 15 largest economy in the world — for 10 years — even under the Obama attack against this country’s economy, Perry has created the environment to “create” 48% of all new jobs filled in the 50 states. He has fought the EPA and Ed Dept, trial lawyers and the Fed inaction on our 1250 INTERNATIONAL border with Mexico — for starters.
But actions apparently don’t speak louder than good talkers to some.
What if Obama decides he just doesn’t want to debate? Then what? You’re stuck with the silver tongued Newt who is a died in the wool, reach across the aisle, big government, loves the U.N. moderate.
It’s evident you didn’t comprehend what I said earlier. You keep slinging mud at eveyone else trying to making them look dirty. How does that help in the general election when we might need to turn to them for support later.Negative campaigning among your fellow candidates is nasty and dirty and hurts more than it helps. Now, you wanna sling mud at Obama, I’ll help!!
well said. Whatever else we may say about Gingrich -- he gets the problems we face economically, from islam etc. He has ideas about what to do about this. He is the best candidate right now. I hope Cain comes in his administration -- ideally as VP, that would be a combination that would bring this country back from the brink.
Perry may be a good man, a good governor, but he cannot inspire the nation and win this presidency. Obamba part II will be the last nail in the coffin for the US
He is having problems communicating with GOPers, even with folks who were his supporters.
he may have a good/bad record, but if he cannot communicate that, most will not even look at him, leave alone consider him
The problem is not that Perry is not TOO opinionated -- that's Paul. Perry just cannot communicate his points and his gaffes are too numerous and he would keep making it
This means that though he may be a very nice person, a good or great governor, he still will not have a chance as a candidate for Presidency -- unless Obamba's teleprompter breaks...
but then I repeat -- who else? Palin is not running and Romney is a definite NO
From the rest of the pack, Santorum, Huntsman and Bachman have no chance (and Bachman is too shrill for me, an ex-Bachman supporter), Paul is too libertarian. It only leaves Cain and Newt really -- Perry is not electable, even if he becomes the GOP candidate, he will not inspire the undecided to vote for him, while Cain or Newt CAN do that - heck, even Romney could.
But Perry, for all his good, cannot
Your motives are suspect.
You never attacked Newt before. You never attacked anyone before.
Before, all you did was back Perry.
Now, suddenly, you are in attack mode against the front runner late in the pre-primary process (just before the actual voting starts).
If you merely continued to passionately back a hopeless cause (the Perry campaign), that would be one thing.
But to switch to attack mode now, just before the voting begins, suggests an ulterior motive.
It is reasonable to suspect that:
a) You are a paid Perry operative and are following instructions even if those instructions are bad for the GOP and are a “last ditch effort” organized by Perry’s handlers
b) You have switched your support to Romney, don’t want to say so on FR (for obvious reasons) and are using your former pro-Perry positions as a “cover” to launch a blistering attack against the single, remaining anti-Romney in the race.
My money is on a).
Others have accused you of b).
Only you can clear it up, by coming clean. And that doesn’t mean demanding an apology. That means explaining your obvious change-of-posting-style, from passionate supporter of Perry, to mean-spirited attacker of the current front-runner.
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