Posted on 11/29/2011 8:06:33 AM PST by chickadee
Now that Newt Gingrich has become the latest in a series of Republican front-runners, he is getting the kinds of scrutiny and attacks that have done in other front-runners.
One of the issues that has aroused concern among conservative Republicans is that of amnesty for illegal immigrants, especially after Gingrich said that it would not be "humane" to deport someone who has been living and working here for years.
Let's go back to square one. The purpose of American immigration laws and policies is not to be either humane or inhumane to illegal immigrants. The purpose of immigration laws and policies is to serve the national interest of this country.
There is no inherent right to come live in the United States, in disregard of whether the American people want you here. Nor does the passage of time confer any such right retroactively. [emphasis added]
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Point of Process is a triangle formed by two hands with the index fingers touching and the thumbs touching to form a triangle shape. Point of Process means that the conversation has gotten off of the original topic.Thomas Sowell brings the conversation back to the basics.
Thomas Sowell is a national treasure, he almost always nails it.
Here at Free Republic, Sowell’s position causes foaming at the mouth and name calling in some circles.
As much of the rest of his article points out, immigrants seem less and less willing to integrate into American society. It seems they come here to change America, rather than accept and integrate into it. Immigrants want to create pockets of their background and apply that culture within our own culture. I think Australia has it right: If you don't like the way we do things, go somewhere else. Dearborn, MI is trying as hard as it can to get Sharia law recognized. To hell with that. If you don't like our legal system, go somewhere Sharia law prevails and live there.
I'm not sure which candidates even understand this basic fact. But I know which ones definitely do not. They cannot help outing themselves.
“Here at Free Republic, Sowell’s position causes foaming at the mouth and name calling in some circles.”
Would those ‘circles’ revolve around an elderly, grouchy doc from Texas who holds a Congressional seat?
Newt is 100% correct on his immigration stance-
All he is saying it essentially that you cannot throw millions of people out of the country the first day in office - YOU NEED TO MAKE A PLAN
There HAS TO BE a plan that takes into consideration the fact that we are suddenly trying to enforce a law that has not been enforced for 40 years.
There are people who have lived their whole lives here and have jobs and own houses. Do we confiscate the property?
Do we take entire generations of parents, children, and now grandchildren out of jobs and homes and schools and send them home to Mexico on day one?
I like getting them all on the books, and making it clear that any illegal activity gets them tossed out (like VOTING)
NO CITIZENSHIP!!! but we need to know who they are, and document them in some manner (hey- how about ‘guest worker’!!) and get them to have
This is the message we all need to repeat to our legislators and friends:
“Let’s go back to square one. The purpose of American immigration laws and policies is not to be either humane or inhumane to illegal immigrants. The purpose of immigration laws and policies is to serve the national interest of this country.”
In our own nation the American Indian was incapable of controlling the migration of Europeans into North American. The result was destruction of their culture, political structure, language, and religious identity.
Shall we let them all stay or put them on freight cars back to Mexico on day one and confiscate their property?Really?
what’s ridiculous about it?
I am trying to illustrate a point- Newt is not for amnesty but for a PLAN of how to proceed from where we are.
And step 1 of his plan is to lock up the borders and make it much more illegal to HIRE illegal aliens. Through attiritoon we will solve the problem.
But you can’t sove a problem that too 40 years to make overnight.
I am trying to illustrate a point- Newt is not for amnesty but for a PLAN of how to proceed from where we are.
And step 1 of his plan is to lock up the borders and make it much more illegal to HIRE illegal aliens. Through attrition we will solve the problem.
But you can't solve a problem that took 40 years to make overnight.
You are absolutely right. The entire illegal immigration issue has ALREADY BEEN polatized/politicized beyond the possibility of shedding any light or any practical plan on it. Newt is just trying to get the belated and serious discussion going on it,because that’s the only thing that will both lead to practical solutions, and start to alter the toxic partisanship that’s been going on for decades, and has only eventuated in both ‘sides’ of the issue hunkering down and retreating into ever more intransigent positions. It’s either his way or another 10-20 years of upheaval, which gets uglier and more socially disruptive as time goes on.
“Warm up the cattle cars, right???? “
Drama queen
STOP right there. I don't know where this article is going , yet, but that statement is a big red flag.
We can't go back. We are where we are. I think many anti-illegal posters here on FR are in that boat. We want it to have not happened. If we just send them all back and everything will be “groovy”. Even suggesting such a thing is ridiculous on it's face. It can't be done. We really woudn’t want to do it anyway.
Hey, I have been in the anti-illegal crowd in the past. I have evolved (a little leftist humor there.) “Let's Work The Problem, People”. (Apollo 13)
Forget the “hate”. Forget about revenge. Forget about “punishing” people. They are here. They are not all going back. An extended family of 20 people would likely have only one or two illegals. You really going to send Poppy & Nana back to Mexico to starve in the streets? Just say too bad to their 18 LEGAL U.S. citizen children and grand children?
This isn't going to happen. It would be political suicide for one big reason. Yes, it's inhumane, for another.
Secure the border.
Register and legalize (red card, green card, purple card, no citizenship)
Deport criminals, recent arrivals, and those without strong ties.
Problem solved.
P.S. While Hispanic citizens want the laws upheld, they are still “Hispanic” with Mexican relatives here and in Mexico.
When in a very crowded Wal-Mart in El Paso, my son and I were the ONLY white faces I saw in the store. All the chatter was in Spanish. I know that in the schools, whites are a small minority. I like to watch “Border Wars” on TV. Almost all the Border guards and police are Hispanic. Just about EVERYONE is Hispanic. Deporting Hispanics by the millions, will not look good on TV. As a political reality, this can't happen.
Nice speech. Back to the article:
“The purpose of American immigration laws and policies is
not to be either humane or inhumane to illegal immigrants.”
“The purpose of immigration laws and policies is to serve the national interest of this country.”
Hyper ventilating is still hyper ventilating, let them self deport, no jobs, no welfare, go home simple answer. And no fake anchor baby BS.
What part of:
“The purpose of American immigration laws and policies is
not to be either humane or inhumane to illegal immigrants.”
“The purpose of immigration laws and policies is to serve the national interest of this country.”
don’t you understand. All of it I guess.
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