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To: Ingtar

Everything “requires the cooperation of the states,” Ingtar.

That does not excuse the fact that Cain is okay with millions of illegals getting amnesty if some states decide it.


4 posted on 11/27/2011 6:58:46 PM PST by TitansAFC (Mr. Cain, infanticide is not a "social decision," and it SHOULD be part of the political discussion!)
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To: TitansAFC
You are funny no state can take the position of amnesty, they would be bankrupt in a year, just like California.
15 posted on 11/27/2011 7:03:08 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters.)
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To: TitansAFC

You Newtitos baffle me. Your taskmasters, the LSM and the likes of Karl Rove, have done everything short of stabbing Cain to get rid of him. According to these TOOLS, Cain is done for, gone , hasta la bye bye, dead man walking, end, Cain who...single digits, rapist,etc..etc...etc..etc...etc...

Why do you keep bringing Cain up..

But since you asked here it is:

There are 4 problems

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_aKqWXvM3g

he says WE DO NOT NEED AMNESTY!!!!


24 posted on 11/27/2011 7:08:45 PM PST by Fred ("The terrorists' want to kill us, so we need to kill them first!" http://hermancain.com)
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To: TitansAFC

Did you actually read the article, or better yet, go to the transcript?

“My position is: Secure the border for real. Promote the path to citizenship that already exists. The problem is the bureaucracy in getting people here legally. Now then the fourth — the way I would deal with those that are already here, which has been my stated position, empower the states to deal with the illegals that are already here. Not some big grandiose national one-size-fits-all.”

The Feds to empower the states (help them) deal with those here already. Nothing in it about allowing states to grant amnesty or path to citizenship outside the legal paths already established.

Every time he tried to state something about the states deciding how best to round them up, or deal with them within the law, Crowley tried to call that allowing amnesty, to Cain’s protestations that Crowley was not understanding what he was saying.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/27/sotu.01.html


26 posted on 11/27/2011 7:10:30 PM PST by Ingtar
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To: TitansAFC

Did you actually read the article, or better yet, go to the transcript?

“My position is: Secure the border for real. Promote the path to citizenship that already exists. The problem is the bureaucracy in getting people here legally. Now then the fourth — the way I would deal with those that are already here, which has been my stated position, empower the states to deal with the illegals that are already here. Not some big grandiose national one-size-fits-all.”

The Feds to empower the states (help them) deal with those here already. Nothing in it about allowing states to grant amnesty or path to citizenship outside the legal paths already established.

Every time he tried to state something about the states deciding how best to round them up, or deal with them within the law, Crowley tried to call that allowing amnesty, to Cain’s protestations that Crowley was not understanding what he was saying.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/27/sotu.01.html


29 posted on 11/27/2011 7:10:42 PM PST by Ingtar
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To: TitansAFC

I don’t think the Supremacy clause would allow the states to do this in the first place. I think what he means is a state can “hang out” with the illegals or attempt to enforce like AL. States like FL & TX are locked into Bush progressivism R-machinery so its gonna be damn hard to pull off..never mind CA.
As it stands now from a legal perspective...states can successfully stop the hiring if they craft very smart E-Verify laws. It is like a swiss clock to get it right and draw in monies to enforce, allow cops to ask for ID on probable cause pullovers and they can ban “business transactions” between entities and aliens. Believe me there are tools but you have to press down on the gas pedal.


31 posted on 11/27/2011 7:11:07 PM PST by magna carta
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To: TitansAFC
That does not excuse the fact that Cain is okay with millions of illegals getting amnesty if some states decide it.

What are you talking about? You are the one who posted the specific snips from the article, and you personally snipped this one, which says he is NOT for amnesty. Do you not know how to read your own snips??

But when Crowley used the word “amnesty,” inquiring if that it meant it would be “okay” if the states granted “some sort of amnesty to those who are already living here,” Cain vehemently denied he supported amnesty.

“I’m not saying that at all,” he said.

“Secure the border for real,” Cain continued, speaking about what his plan regarding illegal immigrants is. “Promote the path to citizenship that’s already there, and the path to citizenship that’s already there doesn’t say anything about amnesty.

155 posted on 11/27/2011 8:41:51 PM PST by BagCamAddict (If you hate a particular candidate, look inward, and ask why you are so full of hate.)
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To: TitansAFC
Isn't it clear that Cain doesn't really have an opinion on any issue?

I have said repeatedly Cain is no different than any other candidate concerning immigration, it's just people wanted to believe he was.

Now, who knows how to secure the border with the conviction to do it? Who has the stats to win this election against Obama.

Who is provably the best in gun rights?

Who is provably the best on abortion?

Who is provably the best on job creation?

Who is provably the best on Israel?

Who is ex-military?

Who is continually proposing bold changes to Washington?

Who is provably willing to take on the responsibility of leading as an executive?

Who is suing the EPA?

Who is backing the state of Arizona against the attack from the Feds.

Come on people, it's Rick Perry.

This election will be about stats and job creation. That is it. Perry has those, no one else does.

327 posted on 11/28/2011 4:59:54 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: TitansAFC

Cain has outlined his four problem solving - including empower the states to do what the federal government can’t and won’t do - as FAR BACK AS 2007 and has reiterated it ALL ALONG In this election cycle.

Solve FOUR problems: 1. Secure the border 2. Enforce the laws on the books 3. Encourage the path to citizenship already in place - starting with entering the country LEGALLY. 4. Empower the states to do what the Federal government can’t

Cain is not asking states to CHANGE the federal law but enforce the laws on the books. The laws on the books are NOT AMNESTY.

Here is a comprehensive look at Cain’s immigration stance:

http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/rep_bios.php?rep_id=98516477&category=views&id=20110508174404


389 posted on 11/28/2011 7:43:17 AM PST by justsaynomore (http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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