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To: SoConPubbie

1. What's the need? Implement the simple 3-step plan I've posted and you don't need the Federal Bureaucracy that goes with Newt's plan.

As your plan is similar to Gingrich's it requires similar bureaucracy. The ideas that Gingrich is suggesting require nothing more that changes to ICE procedures.

You are beating around the bush on how you would proceed (other than offering the same solutions as Gingrich), so I am going to assume that you favor removing financial incentives in the hope that this alone will resolve the problem. Sort of how the two Bobs in Office Space proposed getting rid of Milton. That solution was oversimplified, and so is your. Regulations only go so far in a capitalistic society. At some point individuals either finagle a way around them, or are willing to take the legal risk. EVerify, and other plans may drastically lower wages, and even eliminate jobs to the point that millions of illegals will leave. Millions more will find a way to stay. A large percentage of illegals are employed essentially as private contractors (maids, caddies, delivery boys, painters, handymen, etc.). I can't even begin to imagine the extent of the bureaucracy it would take to go after these people. If you say can, you're lying.

181 posted on 11/26/2011 3:53:07 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
You are beating around the bush on how you would proceed (other than offering the same solutions as Gingrich), so I am going to assume that you favor removing financial incentives in the hope that this alone will resolve the problem. Sort of how the two Bobs in Office Space proposed getting rid of Milton. That solution was oversimplified, and so is your. Regulations only go so far in a capitalistic society. At some point individuals either finagle a way around them, or are willing to take the legal risk. EVerify, and other plans may drastically lower wages, and even eliminate jobs to the point that millions of illegals will leave. Millions more will find a way to stay. A large percentage of illegals are employed essentially as private contractors (maids, caddies, delivery boys, painters, handymen, etc.). I can't even begin to imagine the extent of the bureaucracy it would take to go after these people. If you say can, you're lying.

No, the SIMPLE plan I have documented is not similiar to Newts and neither am I beating around the bush on this issue.

Newt's plan requires a new agency to enforce the new set of rules associated with his new type of legal residency and processing 12-30 million illegal aliens.

With regards to Private contractors, there is no need for a large bureaucrasy or a whole lot of new rules/laws. Simple force the General contractor/or business to run an E-Verify Online check for anyone that performs work for them. The only additional level of Federal bureaucrasy would be for spot-check verifications performed at random against employers. Couple the random spot-checks with automatic jail time for employers who break this law and you have affective deterrent.

How you get to E-Verify lowering wages is beyond me. I believe the opposite would occur, since employers that are currently cheating by hiring the cheap illegal alien will actually be forced by market forces to pay a living wage.

Your statement that millions would find a way to stay also is non-logical. If E-Verify is applied universally, for both employment and social services, there will be no way they can stay, because without jobs and social services, they'd have no food and the freebies would be removed.


195 posted on 11/26/2011 4:19:14 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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