Posted on 11/26/2011 8:38:29 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
WASHINGTON — Newt Gingrich isn’t backing off his “humane” immigration stance despite complaints from Republican hardliners and fellow Presidential hopefuls — he’s embellishing it.
The former House speaker issued “10 Steps to a Legal Nation” this week, expanding on his remarks during Tuesday’s GOP debate
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Those guilty only of sneaking into the U.S. would have a path “to legality, but not citizenship” similar to the existing naturalization process, plus a penalty fee of at least $5,000.
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"They'll deport themselves," you say. To where and what do they have to go back to? A country they no longer know? Where their offspring have never been? My point is not sympathy, my point is this: they aren't going anywhere.
If they can't legally work, and they can't get benefits, then what do you think they will do to survive? I know exactly what they will do--the same as what dispossessed blacks have done in our cities for the last fifty years--turn to crime, sell drugs, establish a black market, suffer social disorganizaton, and work off the books completely.
If our own citizens do this, why would anyone expect illegals deprived of a way to make a living to do any less?
"They'll deport themselves" you say--hell, we can't even get the Occupiers to deport themselves from our parks and public squares. You casually declare that the whole families will have to go. But just try to "enforce" deportation of families on a massive scale and watch what happens in your cities. It will make the Rodney King riots look like a street fair. In the real world, people, especially desperate people, don't go down without a fight.
It is all fine and dandy to be cavalier and smug about how 12 million (give or take) people will react when you threaten what they consider to be their homes and livelihoods, even if you don't see it that way. People with little left to lose don't care about your theories of how they should just up and leave.
Wake up people. You're playing with fire here, and it won't end well if you don't think it through. Can't you just see how the hard-ass Left, the Van Jones's of the world, will jump on your "racist" "genocidal" schemes against the defenseless women and children? Think of the astroturfing opportunities you will give those meatballs.
If they can generate a countrywide "occupier" movement to protest student loans, for crissakes, Just imagine what kind of disruption and trouble they can brew with millions of hispanics feeling victimized, abused and dispossessed.
The Gingrich plan may not be perfect, nothing is, and it may need to be tweaked here and there, no big deal, but if you don't want to deal with this issue in some way similar to the gingrich plan, then you don't have a plan. At least be honest enough to admit it. And get the troops ready. You'll need the National Guard sooner or later.
Could you please show me where Cain “supports” an expanded guest worker program recently. All I have been able to find is enforce the laws already on the books, and secure the border, no special new laws for illegals.
I know there a short portion of one long article from over four years ago condemning Congress for failure to address the real problems over the Immigration Bill and that some are using that article as proof he supports an expanded guest worker program.
But three years after that particular article was written and before Cain started his run for presidency there is this:
In terms of handling immigration issues, Cain said he would, first and foremost, secure the U.S. border with Mexico.
“I don’t buy this malarkey that we can’t secure the border,” Cain told TheDC. “I don’t buy this malarkey that we don’t want to offend our southern neighbors. Neither this administration nor the previous administration got serious about securing the border. I don’t know why the previous administration didn’t get serious about securing the border but they didn’t.”
Secondly, Cain said he’d enforce the laws on the books and provide the resources Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials need to secure the border.
“Enforce the laws that are already on the books,” Cain said. “That means providing the resources to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, although I think it’s misnamed – they don’t do a lot of enforcement. Give them the resources they need to do their jobs.”
Cain said he thinks the term “comprehensive immigration reform” is an “oxymoron,” and wouldn’t push for changing the immigration process.
“For those people that want to become legal citizens in this country, promote the current citizenship process,” Cain said. “It’s not that difficult. It’s democratic, it’s cumbersome, it might be confusing to some people, but if you go look it up, you’ll see: the steps are not that complicated. What makes it complicated is the bureaucracy that we have surrounding it.”
Every single piece of information about Herman Cain and immigration I’ve found after this article sounds just like this above, with a few later improvements like adding allowing the states to aid in enforcing immigration law.
And anyone who honestly wants to evaluate Herman Cain on Immigration can go here:
http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/rep_bios.php?rep_id=98516477&category=views&id=20110508174404
This website has articles and videos on Herman Cain’s position on immigration from well before he ever decided to run for president to now. You can see his progression of thought including the years of time between his current policy and the outlier congressional response article. It will be very clear that anyone who uses that one small paragraph from that large article from over four years ago to characterize his political policy on immigration are disingenuous at best and just serving their own agenda. The body of the information on Cain’s immigration position is very clear. Secure the borders, enforce the laws as they exist, no special laws for illegals, and more recently, allow the states to help enforce immigration laws.
What do you mean "we"? What YOU are missing is brains apparently. You do not have to legalize anybody to do these two things you mention. That's why Newt has them as priority steps in his plan.
See, the reason you are totally confused about this is because in your hate and paranoia you are totally afraid to learn the truth. If you had ever read this plan you love to lie about, you would realize, like us normal people, that closing the border and deporting criminals immediately are key elements.
Now that you know that you really agree with Newt, don't you feel better? Have the voices subsided a bit?
That's just the little gaggle of paranoids sucking up the oxygen here. Do not despair. In the real world Newt is polling well and there is general interest, not condemnation of his plans.
The people causing all the bad smell around here have proudly refused even to read his plan, so their delusions can remain intact. They are noisy and obnoxious but their numbers are few.
And what exactly do you think we would have without Newt's plan? Since there is no other plan out there? Hmm?
Sweet. Another xenophobic racist in denial.
Waiting for Palin to run is just the same as waiting for Godot.
There are very good reasons to be against illegal immigration... but this is stupid.
By that logic you can say that if you've ever driven over the speed limit, you are not 'law abiding'... as you broke the speed limit laws.
Which means that nearly all Americans are not 'law abiding'.
So you'd better compare that to each candidate's platform and find the one that best matches it.
Anything else is counterproductive... and the clock is ticking for the upcoming primaries.
There was no twisting of his words. They are there in black and white. There are subjects and verbs. He said what he said. Since you sold out to the man, it doesn’t matter what he said, because you are going to follow him no matter what.
If that is your choice, then do it. (A line remarkably similar to what Cain said about abortion.)
Just don’t expect long-time pro-lifers to be that willing to give their support to someone who is, at best, squishy on pro-life.
Those are his words. It is clear that abortion is the topic and not "raising a child."
Enforce the current laws. What a concept, hmmm?
I think it’s more about being stupid about it. In the great hunt for human perfection we may end up with the Marxist again.
“What do you mean “we”? What YOU are missing is brains apparently. You do not have to legalize anybody to do these two things you mention. That’s why Newt has them as priority steps in his plan.”
I’m sorry, but they are mentioned in the same plan...and the last time we went through this exercise...with a “comprehensive” plan, we got 3,000,000 Amnesties, and no secure border.
Again, my question is why does LEGALIZATION have to part of Newt’s plan...especially if that part isn’t supposed to take place until several years later?
If any of his quotes were so damning, you’d have used one. Instead you made up one from your own words and put it in quotation marks, implying Cain said it. You should be ashamed. Also, stop with the accusations against me personally. The discussion is about Cain, and it’s unbecoming to a man who claims to be a Christian to keep slipping in snide jabs at me.
gc, here is what Cain said:
“The only point I was trying to make: a lot of families would be in that position, and they’re not going to be thinking ‘Well, what does the government want me to do?’ “ Cain said. “My position is no abortion, but all I was trying to point out was: take the typical family in this country, and you don’t know what they might do in the heat of the moment.”
xzins has been very dishonestly trying to twist Cain’s words throughout this whole thread. He’s trying to say that because Cain acknowledges that some will choose to break the law, that means Cain *wants* them to break it. I cannot believe a man who claims to be a Christian is doing this. It is dirty, lowdown, dishonest and shameful.
Up-thread, I gave xzins multiple examples in which I acknowledged that people sometimes do in fact choose to break the law. None of the examples indicate that I am encouraging that behavior. Cain’s acknowledgement that some people will break the law is simply the truth; he is stating an uncontroversial, incontestable fact. That xzins continues to smear him for it is breathtakingly ugly and disgusting. I hope, for the sake of the Name he claims to honor, respect and follow, he will stop it.
[xzins, you would not want to be treated in the same dishonest and shameful way you are treating Cain. Please take the Golden Rule to heart and stop with these repulsive and dishonest smears.]
To put a finer point on it, take this example. Suppose, in the context of a discussion on murder, I said, ‘Some people, in the heat of the moment, will choose to commit murder’.
If it were a one-for-one analogy, xzins would hound me for several hundred posts, claiming I encourage and support murder. Merely because I state a simple and obvious truth: some people DO choose to commit murder, despite the fact it is illegal.
Have you, gc, ever heard of anything so hateful and vile in your life? I can honestly say that this level of smear and dishonesty takes my breath away. I wouldn’t even expect it of a non-Christian, much less of someone who claims to follow Jesus.
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