Posted on 11/24/2011 7:34:27 AM PST by marktwain
With the resolution of the Heller and McDonald cases the Second Amendment and the right to bear arms has been secured as a legal right for every citizen of the United States. Well, apparently not EVERY citizen. Stephen Dearth is a natural born citizen of the United States who chooses to make his primary residence in Canada, making him one of the millions of U.S. Citizens who do not have a permanent residence in the United States. That minor wrinkle means that under U.S. law he cannot purchase a firearm except for “sporting purposes” . . .
As the Heller and McDonald cases have explained, firearms ownership under the Second Amendment is not just for “sporting purposes,” and Mr. Dearth has brought a new case (with some help from our friends at the Second Amendment Foundation) to court to get Mr. Holder to fix the laws to comply with the recent decisions.
Mr. Dearth was visiting some friends in the United States when he decided he wanted to purchase a handgun for self defense. Mr. Dearth already possessed a Utah concealed handgun permit which would enable him to carry it in a number of other states, didn’t meet any of the major disqualifying criteria (felonies, restraining orders, mental health issues, etc), and he was planning on keeping his new purchase at a friend’s house in the States for safe keeping.
As he was filling out the Form 4473 at the gun store, he ran headlong into Question 13 which asked him about his state of residence and stopped him in much the same way a brick wall stops a flying water balloon. He didn’t have any, and according to Federal law if you don’t have a state of residence you don’t have the same Second Amendment rights as the rest of us.
The document filed with the court on November 14th explains the situation in more detail, so here is the “Statement of Facts” section:
1. Federal Restrictions on Expatriated Americans’ Ability to Acquire Firearms. Title 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(9) provides: “It shall be unlawful – for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, who does not reside in any State to receive any firearms unless such receipt is for lawful sporting purposes.” violation of this section is punishable by fine and/or imprisonment of up to five years. 18 U.S.C. § 924(a)(1)(D). “No person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, who does not reside in any State shall receive any firearms unless such receipt is for lawful sporting purposes.” 27 C.F.R. § 478.29a. “An individual resides in a State if he or she is present in a State with the intention of making a home in that State.” 27 C.F.R. § 478.11.Title 18 U.S.C. § 922(b)(3), and 27 C.F.R. §§ 478.96, 478.99, bar a firearms dealer from selling firearms to individuals who do not reside within the state in which the dealer’s place of business is located. An exception to this prohibition allows a dealer to sell rifles and shotguns to residents of states where the dealer does not maintain a place of business, as long as the transaction would be legal “in both states,” that is, the purchaser’s state, and the dealer’s state. By operation of this section, otherwise qualified American citizens wishing to buy firearms cannot do so unless they maintain a residence within the United States. All firearms purchasers within the United States who do not possess a Federal Firearms License, meaning, virtually all ordinary civilian consumers of firearms, must complete “Form 4473, Firearms Transaction Record Part I – Over-The-Counter, OMB 1140-0020,” administered under Defendant’s authority, in order to purchase a firearm. 27 C.F.R. § 478.124. Question 13 on Form 4473 provides, “What is your State of residence (if any)? ____________” The failure to complete Form 4473, including Question 13, voids a firearms transaction.
2. The Challenged Laws’ Impact on Plaintiffs: Plaintiff Stephen Dearth is a natural born citizen of the United States and a resident of Canada. Separate Statement of Undisputed Material Facts (“SUF”) 1. He does not maintain a residence in the United States. SUF 2. Dearth is over the age of 21, is not under indictment, has never been convicted of a felony or misdemeanor crime of domestic violence, is not a fugitive from justice, is not an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance, has not been adjudicated a mental defective or committed to a mental institution, has not been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions, has never renounced his citizenship, and has never been the subject of a restraining order relating to a child or an intimate partner. Dearth holds a valid Utah permit to publicly carry a handgun, which is recognized in numerous states.
Dearth has many friends and relatives in the United States whom he enjoys visiting, and whom he intends to continue visiting on a regular basis. Dearth also travels to the United States on business. SUF 5. Dearth intends to purchase firearms within the United States, which he would store securely at his relatives’ home in Mount Vernon, Ohio, and which he would access for lawful sporting purposes as well as for other purposes, including self-defense, while visiting the United States.
Unaware of the federal restrictions on firearms acquisition by expatriated Americans, Dearth attempted to buy a firearm within the United States on or about January 28, 2006. However, he could not provide a response to Question 13 on Form 4473, and advised the dealer that he does not reside in any state. On account of Dearth’s foreign residence and inability to answer Question 13, the transaction was terminated. Dearth subsequently spoke with an official at the Federal Bureau of Investigations, who confirmed that Dearth could not adequately complete Form 4473, and could not purchase a firearm on account of his lack of domestic residence. Dearth subsequently sought to purchase a firearm within the United States.
Dearth truthfully advised the seller that he did not reside in any state, and on account of that fact, the transaction could not proceed.
Dearth reasonably fears arrest, prosecution, incarceration and/or fine were he to provide false state residence information on a Form 4473 in order to purchase firearms, and cannot purchase firearms at retail if he truthfully declines to list a state of residence on Form 4473. The enforcement of the federal restrictions on firearms acquisition by expatriated Americans is presently interfering with Dearth’s efforts to acquire firearms for self-defense.
It’s an interesting question. Does one have to have a permanent residence of the United States in order to enjoy all the freedoms associated with citizenship? Do you suddenly become a second-class citizen just because your house is located outside the 50 states?
The recent court rulings held that every citizen has a right to posses a firearm for self defense. But in order to exercise that right you need to be able to purchase a firearm (which Federal law prohibits in this case).
The court document provides some downright compelling arguments for changing the current laws due to their apparent unconstitutionality, drawing on not only court cases but quotations from the founding fathers to make the point. Needless to say we’ll be keeping an eye on this case.
Read the whole thing here.
Where is Mr. Dearth registered to vote? As a general rule an American civilian living abroad would vote absentee from the last location they lived at before leaving the country.
And unless overseas is the only place where you can find gainful employment like so many have.
[ Personally, I can’t think of a good reason to live outside the country except for work or marriage reasons . ]
Lots of reasons for a traitor to live primarily outside the country.. or to “travel”..
They traitors primarily because they are citizens..
I also add that not ALL democrats are traitors.. most but not all..
And unless overseas is the only place where you can find gainful employment
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Just ‘followin the jobs Boss’.
Do ‘all’ fail to see the humor/irony in the fact that as quick as we ship jobs overseas, overseas citizens come here looking for work?
There has to be a ‘happy middle’ there.
Have you taken leave of your senses? You seriously would impose the death penalty on the citizens of a free republic because they choose to live abroad? Re-read the founders documents you reference on your profile page and you might learn that the United States is not like East Germany.
Are you seriously that thick?
You think you should be reduced as an American citizen for, say, moving to Australia for two years with their job and not maintaining property in the US because they can’t afford it?
You think someone**
“It’s an interesting question. Does one have to have a permanent residence of the United States in order to enjoy all the freedoms associated with citizenship? Do you suddenly become a second-class citizen just because your house is located outside the 50 states?”
Join the club to get the benefits. No join? No benefits. Not a US citizen, no guns. Permanent residencey is not good enough either. Join, or deal with it. Period.
You will be surprised how many highly educated and skilled Americans live and work overseas because they couldn’t find a decent job at home.
[ Have you taken leave of your senses? You seriously would impose the death penalty on the citizens of a free republic because they choose to live abroad? ]
If they are traitors... YES..
[ You think you should be reduced as an American citizen for, say, moving to Australia for two years with their job and not maintaining property in the US because they can’t afford it? ]
You don’t read good.. suggest another try..
many highly educated and skilled Americans live
Yes, I am aware and we have quite a ‘crew’ that have retired overseas also.
>[ Do you suddenly become a second-class citizen just because your house is located outside the 50 states? ]
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>YES... if your primary residence is in another country your citizenship should be questioned..
>Unless you are in the armed services.. or a very few in the Diplomatic Corp..
That sentiment makes me VERY uncomfortable; if the government is able to “question” (read: “possibly revoke”) your citizenship then ALL rights secured to the citizen by the Constitution are not rights, but privileges granted by the state.
>>“It’s an interesting question. Does one have to have a permanent residence of the United States in order to enjoy all the freedoms associated with citizenship? Do you suddenly become a second-class citizen just because your house is located outside the 50 states?”
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>Join the club to get the benefits. No join? No benefits. Not a US citizen, no guns. Permanent residencey is not good enough either. Join, or deal with it. Period.
But that’s not the question; the question is of that of a Citizen who does not have a permanent residence.
Respectfully Sir/Ma'am.....BULL SHIT!
There are quite a number of proud, patriotic U.S. Citizens who reside in countries other than the U.S.A.
Might I suggest you remove your head from the dark place it appears to be inserted and try to widen your scope of understanding.
The FFL system is basically barring me from getting "standing" to challenge some of Kalifornia's laws without breaking federal laws.
Well said. A lot of the posters on this thread have a fundamental misunderstanding of the issue at hand with this case, which I think is an excellent one, and I wish the plaintiffs luck with it.
[ That sentiment makes me VERY uncomfortable; if the government is able to “question” (read: “possibly revoke”) your citizenship then ALL rights secured to the citizen by the Constitution are not rights, but privileges granted by the state. ]
There is a lot to be uncomfortable about when a republic is made to morph a democracy.. especially this unique kind republic we have.. maybe had..
This republic was not setup to be run by Mob Rule by mobsters.. when illegal aliens can “vote” as if they were citizens.. and legal aliens are looked on as citizens.. when they are NOT..
I’m not sure Americans even know what a citizen is anymore.. Its easy to revoke or instate citizenship in a system where the very word means nothing.. And after invoked or revoked what you have is nebulous..
I suggest you remove yourself from you’re PollyAnna state and look at reality.. What a citizen is in the United States now is on a sliding scale.. As is many other words... like say...... treason.. sedition.. Trojan Horse.. They don’t mean what they used to mean... anymore..
[ Might I suggest you remove your head from the dark place it appears to be inserted and try to widen your scope of understanding. ]
I offer you the same gratuity.. Primary residence has meaning.. its not just a legal term.. but its in fact a legal term.. It means something..
Secondary residence means something else.. even if you do not know what it means it still means what it means..
To be a citizen you MUST from primarily from somewhere..
The One Worlders have not WON YET...
>I suggest you remove yourself from you’re PollyAnna state and look at reality..
I actually am looking at reality.
You yourself said “This republic was not setup to be run by Mob Rule by mobsters” and yet we have the [legally] Untouchable Caste: just look at the Fast & Furious incident (which, make no mistake, was an unauthorized act of war against a foreign state AND an instance of “state sponsored terrorism”) and tell me can you say with any amount of certainty that those responsible will pay anything even closely resembling severity of the crimes committed?
...but what else is it when the powerful [majority] can whimsically violate the rights of the weak (minority)?
Go back and reread my post with that previous sentence/fragment’s sentiment in mind; what is more of a minority than the individual?
>What a citizen is in the United States now is on a sliding scale..
I blame much of this on the underhanded way that the Second Class Citizen caste (felons) was created; because people let this abominable and unjust practice come into vogue we are now reaping the results by the state’s ever broadening of what constitutes a felony. (In 2014, IIRC, ObamaCare comes into force and if there is a lapse in your health insurance coverage, guess what, you’re a felon!)
>As is many other words... like say...... treason.. sedition.. Trojan Horse.. They don’t mean what they used to mean... anymore..
That’s probably only a third of the problem; two-thirds is the “that [the law] doesn’t apply to me!” attitude that many government officials have.
I can’t argue with much of what you said..
We probably agree more than we disagree..
However; I am really pissed.. and do rant..
And will continue..
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