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To: MontaniSemperLiberi

This is such a pointless waste of bandwidth that it fully deserves the epithet “stupid.”

The first bolded remark, about animals not being improperly slaughtered or dead before being slaughtered is essentially saying that the animals shouldn’t be carrion or roadkill before being sliced and diced and served up as fit for human consumption - unless you like roadkill, I see nothing objectionable about that statement.

The second bolded remark, about the animals not being slaughtered in the name of anyone other than Allah is also utterly irrelevant because Butterball doesn’t slaughter its turkeys in the name of anyone or anything other than, perhaps in the name of profit (which, to-date, is not a recognized cult or religion). Big deal. That remark does not mean that an animal must be slaughtered in the name of Allah, all it means is that the slaughter of the animal cannot have been part of the recognition or sacrifice to some deity other than God and, since everyone seems to have forgotten the point, Allah is the same God as the God of the Torah, and thus of the Old Testament (and of the New Testament as well). Since there are, obviously, a doctrinal differences over the status of Jesus - to my recollection, Islam grants that He was a prophet, but disagrees with the proposition that He was the Messiah - so slaughtering an animal in the name of Jesus would run afowl (pun intended) of the prohibition; however, as far as I can recall, the Sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross made animal sacrifice a thing of the past, permanently, so not only does Butterball not sacrifice its turkeys in the name of anyone, it certainly wouldn’t be sacrificing them in the name of Jesus because Christians no longer perform animal sacrifice as part of their worship of God.

All of which is the long way of saying that there is no downside to Butterball taking advantage of Halal to sell its products to a wider audience - that is what capitalism and free markets are all about, so I say: right on Butterball, keep doing what you’re doing because, in addition to making more profit for your shareholders, you’re also watering down the mystical meaning of “Halal” by turning it into nothing more than just another dietary preference, like the difference between choosing Coca-cola over Diet Coke.


76 posted on 11/28/2011 4:17:52 AM PST by Oceander (TINSTAAFL - Mother Nature Abhors a Free Lunch almost as much as She Abhors a Vacuum)
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To: Oceander
Besides, the method of slaughter is just as important to something being halal as the "in the name of Allah," who, incidentally, is not "the same God as the God of the Torah, and thus of the Old Testament." That idea, like a relationship of Muslims to Abraham via Ishmael (there exists no genetic evidence whatsoever) and a major portion of the Koran, was appropriated by Mohammed from the Jews and Christians who formed the high tech society of the Arabian Peninsula in his day. Virtually all turkeys are killed in a method that is halal. They are hung upside down, their throats are cut, and they are allowed to bleed out.
77 posted on 11/28/2011 4:27:35 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Oceander

You should read the replies before posting to a thread. Much of what you say has been refuted. Moreover if you would google your assumptions before posting then you could avoid such phrases as “essentially”, “perhaps”, “to my recollection”, “as far as I can recall”. Last a bit of self directed education and some Bible study wouldn’t hurt either.


79 posted on 11/28/2011 5:38:26 AM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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