Posted on 11/19/2011 5:02:31 AM PST by IbJensen
Now you’re getting silly, and I am about to laugh my protestant head off.
The bulk of the reported molestation problems within Catholic cloisters are from queers, homosexuals. They would not give a hoot about whether the church would want them to marry, and loosening the policy wouldn’t drive them out. Priesthood isn’t a lifetime vow and they can quit to marry, and also the Catholic church accepts already-married converts into the priesthood (as from the Episcopal church).
“The Catholic Church would be better served tending to their own sins, rather than caring about pornography.”
If the church is so anti-pornography then why do they even have a pornograph?
I think this topic would be of interest to you, however there is one poster trying hard to turn this into a Catholic bashing thread.
You wrote:
“What the Church should do is allow their priests to marry.”
None of the historic churches ever had priests who married. The Church literally cannot change that. One day the Church may ordain married men regularly, but it will NEVER have priests who marry. There’s a huge difference.
“This would go a long way to solving a lot of their problems.”
Sandusky was married. Did it solve his problem?
“Basing your rules on something that goes against biology makes zero sense.”
All of Christianity in a sense “goes against biology” for we depend on grace and not the flesh in general. Christ becoming man goes “goes against biology” as we know it. Many scientists will tell you monogamy “goes against biology”.
“They did it to save money in claims against them.”
Did what?
“It is time to abandon the policy. Until that day they are going to attract a lot of priests who have mental issues of some sort. It is unnatural to deny the right to have sex and take a partner.”
They don’t deny it. People choose celibacy. It is imposed on exactly no one.
Read it. If you disagree with me, fine, but asking me whether I have read something is irrelevant to the point, at least in my opinion.
Pornography will be here forever. There is a demand for it, so it will be there. It’s not going away and cannot be legislated away or “spiritualized” away.
Perhaps if those crazed folks in the Middle East had better access to porn and sex, they would be far less angry.
Too much sake, sakic?
It’s your belief that homosexuals would become priests if priests could marry? And you’re laughing at my thought process?
Not Catholic bashing. Bashing of those that run it, not of those that follow its teachings. Big difference.
I’m in the camp that says the bible allows a looser policy — however, I’ve personally watched a person, the pastor of my own church who became celibate against his will when his wife died at an untimely age, and I saw (and continue to see) God use that to advance the quality of his very much evangelical ministry. St. Paul wasn’t woofing when he said that pastoral singlehood had its advantages. If he was woofing, then the Bible is telling lies in that passage.
You’d have to get scissors and cut stuff out of the bible before you could even get the idea that being married is better for all pastors.
You wrote:
“Read it. If you disagree with me, fine, but asking me whether I have read something is irrelevant to the point, at least in my opinion.”
No, actually it is relevant. That’s why I asked the question. Apparently you didn’t read the article: that would explain why you made the mistake you did. You probably don’t know which one you made either.
What in the Bible points to not allowing priests to marry? This is not about religion. It is about money.
As I stated earlier, deeds matter to me. Words and stated policy do not.
Do you disagree with my statement that pornography is not going away?
Do you disagree with my contention that homosexuals would be virtually eliminated from the priesthood if priests could marry?
Do you disagree with my statement that the Church continues to protect child molesters?
None of my statements has been critical of people that follow Catholic teachings. The teachings are fine. Yet, some are trying to turn me into a Catholivc basher because they cannot disagree with my statements.
To be even clearer, the same problems exist in all religions, including the Jewish faith (I’m Jewish), particularly in the Orthodox community.
The difference is that the Catholic Church as an institution exists in a different state than all others because it has a hierarchy unlike the other religions.
I’ve had personal experience through a friend and neighbor that went through hell because of the way the Church treated his son and the priest that molested him, so pardon me if I seem indifferent to whatever it is they say rather than what they do.
You wrote:
“What in the Bible points to not allowing priests to marry?”
What in the Bible points to having to have explicit verses for this?
“This is not about religion. It is about money.”
No, it is not.
The Church is and has done much to prevent any of this kind of evil. What church do you follow? One that is perfect, pure and Godlike? There is no such church but people like you must be perfect, too much so to even belong to any church. How do you know anything about what the Catholic Church is doing to care about porn? Your bias is why the haters in this Country are causing so much damage. Back up, with facts and figures what “they” would be better served doing, you stated that the Church shouldn’t “care” about porn? You are a smug, small minded twit with more mouth than brain.
Fine, why does the Catholic Church not allow priests to marry?
Requiring pastoral singlehood isn’t a uniform policy under all the branches of the church that come under Rome’s historic supervision. There are even exceptions in the main Roman Catholic church, as for Episcopal priests that come in married. You seem to be arguing something along the lines that if Roman Catholics had enough married priest candidates to choose from, then those lousy homosexuals would be robbed of all their room to creep in to the ministry. I say that’s hogwash, and it would be hogwash unless scissors were taken to Paul’s comments about the advantages of pastoral singlehood. And I ain’t about to do that to the Bible, and if you are, then scat!
As opposed to the same unadulterated raw porn found on the myriad FREE sites?
Devil's advocate: so if it's free porn, does it still constitute a sin?
/sarc (you really don't need to answer that)
Sometimes the only pay Satan gets out of it is to snicker at compromised Christians. And sometimes he gets mammon.
You wrote:
“As I stated earlier, deeds matter to me. Words and stated policy do not.”
If words don’t matter to you, then stop typing.
“Do you disagree with my statement that pornography is not going away?”
Irrelevant. Whether it is or isn’t going away is in itself irrelevant as to whether or not it is good or should be opposed.
“Do you disagree with my contention that homosexuals would be virtually eliminated from the priesthood if priests could marry?”
Your contention is meaningless in any case. There is no history - EVER - within Christianity of priests marrying. Married men can be ordained. Ordained men do not marry.
“Do you disagree with my statement that the Church continues to protect child molesters?”
Yes, I disagree because no such thing ever happened in the first place. Some bishops did wrong, others did not. The Church never protected child molestors. Some bishops did.
“None of my statements has been critical of people that follow Catholic teachings. The teachings are fine. Yet, some are trying to turn me into a Catholivc basher because they cannot disagree with my statements.”
No, I think the first problem is that you seem to have little or no idea of what you’re talking about. Priests don’t marry. Period. Thus, saying that that should happen is nonsensical. It can’t. It won’t.
“To be even clearer, the same problems exist in all religions, including the Jewish faith (I’m Jewish), particularly in the Orthodox community.”
So, that shoots your “let them marry and everything will be fine” idea. If other religions have the same problems, then a celibate clergy is not the problem.
“The difference is that the Catholic Church as an institution exists in a different state than all others because it has a hierarchy unlike the other religions.”
False. Orthodox Christians also have hierarchy. Again, you don’t seem to know what you’re talking about. Lutherans and Anglicans also have hierarchies.
“I’ve had personal experience through a friend and neighbor that went through hell because of the way the Church treated his son and the priest that molested him, so pardon me if I seem indifferent to whatever it is they say rather than what they do.”
I’ve had personal experience through Freerepublic with people who seem to have had no idea of what they were talking about, so pardon me if I seem indifferent to whatever it is you say since it’s unconnected to reality.
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