Posted on 11/19/2011 5:02:31 AM PST by IbJensen
To answer your point, I feel that when all is said and done that if the charges are true - and I believe they are - that Penn State be tossed out of any post-season games for quite some time and that ll defendants be put on trial.
The defending of JoePa has been pathetic, in my opinion. Funny that he is immediately diagnosed with lung cancer. Assume it’s true, but funny timing.
And I always pay attention to what that great philosopher, Janet Reno, has to say.
Pray tell, does the author of the study have an explanation for the existence of rape before today's easy availability of porn? Correlation is not causation. It's more likely that somebody whose sex life is all screwed up will seek out porn. Perhaps porn provides some satisfaction that reduces the desire to rape real women.
Analogies are not your strong suit.
In both cases we have adult males being left alone with young boys. In both cases, abuse occurred. In both cases, the people above them protected the abusers.
I want the perps at Penn State prosecuted. Now they probably will be. I want the same for the priests, not monetary payoffs.
You wrote:
“Please point to an organized religion that has a hierarchy that in any way resembles Catholicism.”
Already did. Learn to read.
“You said it exists. Is there anything like a Pope somewhere that I am unaware of?”
You seem unaware of much.
“Is there anything like a Vatican City for another religion?”
Yes, but smaller. That makes sense when one considers how much smaller most religions are compared to the Catholic faith.
“They are an organization and because of that, they naturally have a vested interest in protecting their organization.”
Celibacy in no way protects or endangers the Vatican.
“Catholicism teaches the right things. Most of the followers are good people. Most of those teaching are good people, but as an organization they have placed more emphasis on protecting themselves than on protecting their own flock.”
False. What a few bishops - and they are a comparative few - have done is not the action of the Church.
“As to your contention that this is a by product of a few bad bishops, that is pure nonsense. Why were so many priests transferred after they molested?”
There weren’t so many who were transferred. There were over 40,000 priests and the number who were transferred can’t possibly be more than in the hundreds spread out over a nation now numbering 300 million and in a Church numbering now about 65 million.
“The Church is supposed to have a higher standard than college football.”
It does. Some men - including bishops - don’t do their jobs very well.
“This whole thing reminds me of the thin blue line for policemen.Most are good people, but when a cop goes bad, most of the good ones ignore it because they are more afraid of being called a rat than doing the right thing. At that moment, they become bad cops, because they are servants of their citizens, not each other. The same applies to people in organized religion. When they protect a bad apple, they become one.”
And we’re still talking about a comparatively small number of people and not the Vatican either.
“Catholicism is in steep decline in America.”
Actually, no. You really don’t seem to have a clue: http://religion.lohudblogs.com/2011/02/28/catholic-church-still-growing-mainlines-still-not/
“A history of protecting child molestation is part of the reason.”
Except what you’re claiming isn’t happening. Why don’t you go back to the drawing board and come up with some other canard.
“If they are finally cleaning it up, bravo, but as of now, people keep stepping forward with tales of horrific abuse.”
And they always will. There will always be abusers - in every group.
“All religions have bad people. All atheits have bad people. Every group on the planet has bad people. This is not about people. This is about honesty and dishonesty to the people who follow you and pay your salaries.”
The real problem is that you don’t seem to know the facts.
It always amuses me to read threads like this. Not so much for the subject matter, but for the responses to it.
Used to, it was the self-righteous indignation of the religious Church-going folks that created the humor and irritation to me.
Now, it’s the self-righteous indignation of the spiritual NON-church-goers that makes me laugh out loud. How pious they are, decrying the sins of the Church, despising “organized religion,” and thereby justifying themselves — and their own spiritual superiority.
As though life is a game, and God is a referee....
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did you read the article?
If you didn’t, I’m not going to bother anymore.
no one is calling for a ban of anything.
Has anyone dragged you against your will into any church where you are forced to listen to their preaching?
Did someone force you to click on the thread and force you to unwillingly view a catholic view about morality?
do you think catholics should be banned from teaching catholicism to catholics?
bttt thanks for the ping Jeremiah!
excellent post
This is where things get muddy and various churches have stepped in to attempt to clarify with localized policies. Of course the scope of the Roman Catholic church is a geographically vast locale. My gut sense on this, Agent, is that laxer Roman Catholic policies but still following biblical recommendations, might result in a Lutheran like situation where you get married bisexuals where the Catholics have single gays — and both, when granted unguarded access to children, molest in roughly equal proportions (exact data is almost impossible to pin down, but that’s what I hear from Christian psychologists). An improved ecumenical effort to address homosexuality or bisexuality habits, and to heal the hurts behind them through the power of Jesus Christ, would do as much good as any policy on ministerial marriage. IMHO.
NARTH (http://www.narth.com) — not to be confused with the filthy NAMBLA! has been a great source to show that Jesus Christ is not idle in this world when it comes to those hurting in homosexuality, regardless of how much of the fault is their own. God gives wisdom without finding fault and that is one beauty of His grace. He comes to make all things new.
Gun ownership, concealed carry, and the return to a semblance of sanity in criminal sentences can be credited for that.
Forty years ago you could let your kids walk to school. Today, not so much.
Hey sakic,
when you take the plank out of your own eye...
Lurking’
“Basing your rules on something that goes against biology makes zero sense”
your right makes no sense when you learn that 9 out of 10 priest were pederasts (abused boys) not pedophiles..
so would they really be married their being homosexual?
Lurking’
I was commenting on your assertion that there was a high correlation between availability of porn and a rise in sex crimes. There is actually a negative correlation between the two.
I agree. Paterno is given a pass by just about everyone, yet he should have reported the child rape to the police. I don’t buy what they say about how he couldn’t stand Sandusky. Why did he associate with him all those years, let him have an office as well as access to the same facilities where he sexually abused the boy? And now, all these years later, it finally caught up with him. I don’t think he is an evil person, but he failed to show the moral fortitude to do the right thing.
Completely true. A moral crusade against pornography must be fought as we as a people are quickly losing our souls to it.
More than watching our own eyes is required. There must be moral outrage expressed and teaching done. People who are found to imbibe in pornography in any way must be prayed for and helped to realize how terribly wrong it is and helped to escape it. Those who market it must be treated as a scourge to society as well they are.
Try putting out the fire in just your own yard in the midst of a forest fire and find out how far that gets you. If you don't think it is that serious you do not realize the attack to very moral fiber of our society. Children in particular are paying the high price with sexual molestation and horrible murders. If people just stopped and thought about what the "sexual revolution" has done to society and individuals therein we would not, could not put up with it.
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