Posted on 11/18/2011 2:55:26 PM PST by Olog-hai
The Irish and German governments became entangled in a spat on Thursday after details of the Irish budget were given to the German Bundestag, before being presented to the Irish parliament, the Dáil.
The sensitive plans, including a two-percent increase in the top value added tax (VAT) and a €100 household tax, were sent by the German finance ministry—along with a letter of intent from the Irish Finance Minister—to the Bundestag budgetary committee.
This provoked outrage in Ireland, and denials from Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny that he had given the information to the Germans.
Irish opposition parties said if reports were true that the document was seen in the German parliament, it would represent a "staggering breach of faith" which suggested Germany was "now pulling the strings," the Irish Times daily newspaper reported. …
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PM Kenny better watch his six.
You must really hate Germany for some reason. It’s all you ever seem to post. Why?
Looks like Germany is calling the shots in Europe. They may well be forced to rule all of Europe if the like it or not.
Well I guess the Irish know who runs their show now. He who pays the piper calls the tune. Irresponsibility leads to loss of control over your destiny. The Irish have a new master now.
I don’t see how any of this will end well. Even if the politicians concede, the people will become furious.
That's a very immature thing to say, WADR. Why is it hatred of Germany to post about what their government is up to? Should I lie about it, ignore it or cover it up instead—and would doing so be love of Germany by comparison?
You must really hate Germany for some reason. It’s all you ever seem to post. Why?
This will not end well. What happens when the Germans start to enact economic plans for Europe—for their own good. The nations will have a choice—break free of the EU or bow to German rule. Maybe this is fated to happen—WW II only delayed the process of history.
“You must really hate Germany for some reason.”
I really doubt if he hates Germany. Who would oversee our budget if there were a “One World Currency”? The UN? Who going to call the shot if there were a “One World Government”? Your answer is what Socialist are working toward. The Socialist will start a war with the Middle East. Mark my words.
To hell with respecting sovereignty then?
Well I guess the Irish know who runs their show now. He who pays the piper calls the tune. Irresponsibility leads to loss of control over your destiny. The Irish have a new master now
I have no clue why the Bundestag would have to see this document before the Dáil. But maybe it has to do with German banks having loaned so much money to the Republic of Ireland?
Just asking, but still puzzled by this action...
You should indeed find this action puzzling. I don't know of any precedent that justifies this, not even lending money to Ireland's government. As much as the Irish bloviate about Britain's rule being draconian (not that too many living today actually lived under it), they had representatives (MPs) in the Westminster parliament that could do something—not so over in Germany. (They even have representatives in the toy parliament in Brussels, for whatever that's worth.) This is something new and dangerous, AFAICS.
I have no clue why the Bundestag would have to see this document before the Dáil. But maybe it has to do with German banks having loaned so much money to the Republic of Ireland? Just asking, but still puzzled by this action...
I don’t know, but who may have leaked this information to the Bundestag? Maybe the Irish PM did so - as a sign of goodwill. But if not, there must be a mole in the Dáil, right?
But the Irish Times, which has seen the document, said giving the information to the Bundestag was in line with German guidelines for participation in the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) – the German budgetary committee has to approve proposals to increase income and reduce spending before each bailout tranche can be released.
“What’s happened is the federal government meeting its legal information to inform the Bundestag about the EFSF,” one committee member told the Irish Times.
If we owed Germany money (and we do via treasury securities), would you regard it as "goodwill" if the POTUS or some other US government officer leaked our federal budget to the Bundestag? or would you regard it as an act of treason?
I don’t know, but who may have leaked this information to the Bundestag? Maybe the Irish PM did so - as a sign of goodwill
When you go begging for a handout to another country, then yes, to Hell with respecting sovereignty. Its just like anything else. You want someone to give you money, you have to obey their wishes or else you don't get the money.
Why would we? The Germans are starting to own Europe with all the bail out money. I don't see a problem with this. Ireland is fully at fault for their circumstance.
The Irish Times used to have the reputation of being pro-British and pro-Protestant in the past. Nowadays, they're staunchly pro-European Union and are the equivalent of Soviet Правда.
But the Irish Times, which has seen the document, said giving the information to the Bundestag was in line with German guidelines for participation in the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF)
That's not what happened. And there are no handouts—there are loans with ridiculous strings attached.
When you go begging for a handout to another country
I take it that you are against the republican form of government and the free market then, and are in favor of technocratic authoritarianism and the social market? because that's what you just endorsed with that attitude. You also just endorsed the takeover of the USA by Red China.
then yes, to Hell with respecting sovereignty
Then you haven't learned a single thing from history. You're also endorsing technocratic authoritarianism and the social market over the republican form of government and the free market, never mind the revival of colonialism/imperialism through predatory coercive lending in tandem with authoritarian technocracy and the social market.
Why would we? The Germans are starting to own Europe with all the bail out money. I don't see a problem with this
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