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1 posted on 11/17/2011 9:17:20 AM PST by Fred
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To: Fred

I just can’t say how depressing I find that poll.


2 posted on 11/17/2011 9:21:30 AM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: Fred

I can’t believe that Poll. I know the Ron Paul Kool Aid drinkers have a certain base, but I after all of Cain’s gaffes and missteps, to see him holding at that number is ridiculous.


3 posted on 11/17/2011 9:24:02 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Fred

What kills me is the way Ron Paul skates on his little guy facade but has an enormous footprint among big money donors. Granted they aren’t giving him big money but the number of union and corporate recipient listings he shows up on as a top recipient is a little hard to miss.

Its almost as if traditional democrat donors keep him going just to keep him in the race.

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?order=A

Click on a name then click on a recipients tab and then click on republicans.


6 posted on 11/17/2011 9:26:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Fred

Did they make that poll in-campus?


9 posted on 11/17/2011 9:27:37 AM PST by Moose Burger
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To: Fred

??

was this an online poll or something?? a straw poll??


10 posted on 11/17/2011 9:28:09 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Fred

Iowa, the outlier state. Any poll taken in Ioway is by definition an outlier.


17 posted on 11/17/2011 9:35:28 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: Fred

Here’s a hint, any “poll” that shows Ron Paul near or at the top is obvious a poll that can be manipulated, which is what Ron Paul drones do best, when they are not trashing America.


20 posted on 11/17/2011 9:40:09 AM PST by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: Fred

choo choo!

Get on the Cain Train!

choo choo!

Go Cain!


21 posted on 11/17/2011 9:40:13 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Cain 2012!)
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To: Fred
In examining qualifications for the American presidency at this critical juncture in America's history, we might consult an excerpted portion of the 1801 Inaugural Address of Thomas Jefferson for guidance on the seriousness of the undertaking:

(Excerpt) "Let us, then, with courage and confidence pursue our own Federal and Republican principles, our attachment to union and representative government. Kindly separated by nature and a wide ocean from the exterminating havoc of one quarter of the globe; too high-minded to endure the degradations of the others; possessing a chosen country, with room enough for our descendants to the thousandth and thousandth generation; entertaining a due sense of our equal right to the use of our own faculties, to the acquisitions of our own industry, to honor and confidence from our fellow-citizens, resulting not from birth, but from our actions and their sense of them; enlightened by a benign religion, professed, indeed, and practiced in various forms, yet all of them inculcating honesty, truth, temperance, gratitude, and the love of man; acknowledging and adoring an overruling Providence, which by all its dispensations proves that it delights in the happiness of man here and his greater happiness hereafter—with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities.
"About to enter, fellow-citizens, on the exercise of duties which comprehend everything dear and valuable to you,
it is proper you should understand what I deem the essential principles of our Government, and consequently those which ought to shape its Administration. I will compress them within the narrowest compass they will bear, stating the general principle, but not all its limitations. Equal and exact justice to all men, of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political; peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none; the support of the State governments in all their rights, as the most competent administrations for our domestic concerns and the surest bulwarks against antirepublican tendencies; the preservation of the General Government in its whole constitutional vigor, as the sheet anchor of our peace at home and safety abroad; a jealous care of the right of election by the people—a mild and safe corrective of abuses which are lopped by the sword of revolution where peaceable remedies are unprovided; absolute acquiescence in the decisions of the majority, the vital principle of republics, from which is no appeal but to force, the vital principle and immediate parent of despotism; a well disciplined militia, our best reliance in peace and for the first moments of war, till regulars may relieve them; the supremacy of the civil over the military authority; economy in the public expense, that labor may be lightly burthened; the honest payment of our debts and sacred preservation of the public faith; encouragement of agriculture, and of commerce as its handmaid; the diffusion of information and arraignment of all abuses at the bar of the public reason; freedom of religion; freedom of the press, and freedom of person under the protection of the habeas corpus, and trial by juries impartially selected. These principles form the bright constellation which has gone before us and guided our steps through an age of revolution and reformation. The wisdom of our sages and blood of our heroes have been devoted to their attainment. They should be the creed of our political faith, the text of civic instruction, the touchstone by which to try the services of those we trust; and should we wander from them in moments of error or of alarm, let us hasten to retrace our steps and to regain the road which alone leads to peace, liberty, and safety."

Now, the question should be: which 2012 candidate's life and demonstrated achievements indicate a passion for liberty, along with a determination to inspire enough citizens to push their representatives in government to "retrace our steps and to regain the road which alone leads to peace, liberty, and safety"

30 posted on 11/17/2011 9:49:12 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: Fred

What the Left calls a Cain gaffe? When, for reasons of his own, Mr. Cain decides not to answer a question because he has already answered it so many times before: Unless a man is briefed daily, there is no way he can know the answer to that question. That’s not an excuse. That is the truth! But people are no longer taught how to think, so they simply don’t get it! Go Herman Cain! Congrats!


31 posted on 11/17/2011 9:53:59 AM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge.)
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To: Fred

Well, that’s interesting. Polls give folks like us something to talk about, but a lot can and will change before the first primary votes are cast. While “we” tend to follow the nuances and ups and downs, most folks (the VAST majority) do not, many voters are becoming independent, having grown frustrated with both major parties, and will vote for the person, not the party.

While we fuss away and pick at each others opinions, in the end only time will tell.


32 posted on 11/17/2011 9:57:26 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Fred
Saw Ed Rollins interviewed on TV yesterday ...he picked Ron Paul as the eventual winner. Rollins feels Paul has the best team on the ground. That said, I am no great fan of Rollins and am glad that Herman is doing well there.

As others have said; no candidate needs to know all the minutiae of the myriad of subjects a President has to deal with; that's why the President has a staff, a Cabinet and a host of other Secretary's and advisers. I have sat thru literally hundreds of 4-Star level video teleconferences (Full Disclosure: Because of the type job I performed; not what my rank was ...I was a VERY small cog on a very small gear in a very large gear train) and if folks on FR think Flag Officers know everything about everything under their command they are badly deluded. That's why GO’s have staffs and subordinate Commanders; and why those Commanders have staffs and SME’s (subject matter experts). In terms of decision making, it all works to sort out what is most important and move those priority items up thru the chain of command; ultimately to where the final decisions are made. The bottom line is that the same process occurs for decisions that are ultimately made at the White House.

I want a person at the top who is honest, intelligent and has the character and drive to be a leader. I don't want another Beltway insider who will ultimately prostitute whatever values they espoused for power and political expediency

40 posted on 11/17/2011 11:38:27 AM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: Fred

How anyone could back that psychotic clown Ron Paul is beyond me.


41 posted on 11/17/2011 11:38:45 AM PST by ScottinVA (I miss America.)
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