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It has been my experience that IT eliminates the tedious chores in manufacturing and planning, and at the same time allows workers lacking refined skills to step into jobs that would otherwise be beyond their ability to execute.

A dispatcher can quickly do the tasks that would require 5-10 years experience to perform by using well-designed dispatching software. Likewise, someone who is not a craftsman can do the work on an assembly line that formerly took an experienced metalworker or woodworker.

1 posted on 11/14/2011 5:04:42 PM PST by gitmo
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If we were all subsistence level farmers, there would be almost no unemployment.

Just sayin'

2 posted on 11/14/2011 5:07:03 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (I won't vote for Romney. I won't vote for Perry.)
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Technology eliminates/ makes the tedious chores easier and faster, freeing folks up to THINK.


3 posted on 11/14/2011 5:12:54 PM PST by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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It has been my experience that IT eliminates the tedious chores in manufacturing and planning,

...and creates tedious software writing chores.

4 posted on 11/14/2011 5:14:36 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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I always say I’m a good example of someone who would not have my job without technology. I’m a bookkeeper and I would NEVER have been able to to do my job before the invention of the adding machine. And yes, I’m old enough so that I did use those for a while. And I even did work at one place with just a mechanical cash register, no adding just ringing. (However I got fired from that job, but not, iirc, for bad cash registering!)

However, this did not create a job, bookkeepers have been around almost forever, but it did enable me to do it for a living. And I’m pretty good at it, I just can’t do arithmetic very well without a machine.

Hubby laughs at me, but I tell him the job is BOOK-KEEPER, not mathematician.


7 posted on 11/14/2011 5:17:06 PM PST by jocon307
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We have the ability to enter a “post-capitalist” society (if we can get Dumb0 and his crony-socialists out of the way). By “post-capitalist” I don’t mean socialist, I mean the need for massive amounts of capital to start a business is withering away.

Anybody can start an online business today from home for under a few hundred dollars. Of course, if each of us has our own online business it would be like each of us raising and bartering our own vegetables - we’ll each earn a living and afford the varied diet that bartering provides, but none of us will get “rich” (there will still be the “winner-take-all” rich - actors, musicians, etc - but even then, in the age of YouTube and the proliferation of media outlets, the ability of musical artists in this day and age to get as rich as Led Zep once did (who had there own 727 I think it was) is greatly diminished).


8 posted on 11/14/2011 5:17:06 PM PST by PhilosopherStone1000
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both.


11 posted on 11/14/2011 5:23:36 PM PST by ken21
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I still contend that they ONLY way to create jobs is to create the MAXIMUM amount of productive output with the MINIMUM of jobs.


15 posted on 11/14/2011 5:25:17 PM PST by Onelifetogive (I tweet, too... @Onelifetogive)
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Do tractors destroy or create jobs?


16 posted on 11/14/2011 5:30:22 PM PST by DManA
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10 years ago I would have confidently stated that information technology created more jobs than it eliminated. Now I'm not so sure.

So much of what I've seen lately is what I like to call time wasting technology. Facebook, Twitter and a whole bunch of websites are not much more than gossip rooms. And that's about all the generation Y and millennial types are good for. The amount of time wasted on these sites is incredible. Our company has had to block access to these sites due to the time wasted by employees. And if you want to find the most unproductive worker in your company, it's usually the guy with the smart phone. Some of my co-workers can't get their work done because they are always playing around with their damn smart phones. So it looks like for now we are less productive than what we might be with some of the very newest technology. Hopefully this will change but for now low-productivity seems the name of the game. I hope this changes and it's got to change.
27 posted on 11/14/2011 6:17:21 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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"But these official numbers but don’t take into account the emergence and evolution of entrepreneurial ventures."

Got it in one. My company simply couldn't exist without the "IT revolution". It gives us a global reach and increases productivity and innovation by a huge amount. CAD alone is a huge productivity booster (I started out "before AutoCAD" back when drawings were done by "T-square and triangle"...in "lead" or ink...by hand). I can whip out a drawing in a few minutes that would take hours the "old-fangled way").

28 posted on 11/14/2011 6:26:03 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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I think the article misses the point. It is irrelevant whether IT directly creates more jobs or not. The only question is does it bring more efficiency to the business, which most people would agree it does.

If it is more efficient, it means the business makes more money, which means more money to the employees and shareholders and vendors, which then flows into the economy. It is crazy to argue that inefficiency ever is good for the economy.

29 posted on 11/14/2011 6:29:05 PM PST by Wayne07
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“The Big Bang Theory: The Jerusalem Duality (#1.12)” (2008)

Rajnesh Koothrappali: Do you know what he did? He watched me work for 10 minutes, and then started to design a simple piece of software that could replace me.

Leonard Hofstadter: Is that even possible?

Rajnesh Koothrappali: As it turns out, yes.


31 posted on 11/14/2011 6:54:34 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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Bump for later


34 posted on 11/14/2011 7:15:45 PM PST by Lurkina.n.Learnin (The democratic party is the greatest cargo cult in history.)
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IT has been very, very good to me.

Problem, it's eliminated the dumb from the workforce...and the dumb gotta eat too.

I don't know the answer. I know the principal reason most companies use computing machines is to reduce human effort (hours) in order to reduce cost and increase precision.

If you have the brains and inclination, technology is THE field to be in.

It's busier now than at any time in the last 30 years as far as I can tell.

35 posted on 11/14/2011 7:26:32 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Let’s try a little bit of my vision:

The future belongs to humans, along with their “slave” machines, where, each human will be “partnered” with a robot, endowed with the best and most current “AI” of the times.

The slave will make each person independent and capable of functioning without government involvement or any kind of group thought or group interaction. The robot will take care of the human owner’s needs, and that could include food (through independent gardening), clothing, housing (building shelter shouldn’t be that difficult in the future wink ), entertainment (playing videos, music, movies), education (internally contained information, with lectures and everything that a teacher/professor might do), medical needs (blood tests, blood pressure tests, recommending medicines, etc), and much more.

Now, the robot could be free-standing and accompanying the owner everywhere for everything that the owner does. The robot would be equipped to recognize dangers in the environment and to take appropriate action to “defend” or warn the owner.

The robot could also be in the form of “attachments” on the body of the owner, worn (like clothing, glasses), embedded/inserted (like heart pumps), and much more. That robot would provide for locomotion (something like a Segway) so that the human can go longer distances than humans can currently on foot.

In essence, all of the needs that a human has, would be provided by the “slave”, with no questions asked, no complaints, and no getting tired, and working as independently as possible with very little outside intervention or interaction.


36 posted on 11/14/2011 7:29:17 PM PST by adorno (<)
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luddites are revolting.


37 posted on 11/14/2011 7:30:18 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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What we are watching is the failure of the government education model. Otherwise IT wouldn’t have a negative effect at all.

Instead you’ve got generations trained not to think and to expect a hand out.

Right now educational methods can teach in 1-2 months what takes a year under the government schooling model and I mean teach to mastery. Imagine 1st graders doing iterations. It works and is very effective, except you don’t need a teaching certificate nor the current educational paradigm.


39 posted on 11/14/2011 9:03:00 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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ping.


40 posted on 11/14/2011 9:17:26 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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I'll read the article, but that looks like an absolutely horrible place to work. No individuality, no creativity... no privacy. No wonder these big firms want to hire certified, servile lambs only, those bearing the imprimatur of the Bismarck System of Education.

No thanks... I'll take Edison and individual initiative.

Now, to read the article! :-)

45 posted on 11/14/2011 10:16:42 PM PST by Lexinom
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It does both creates and destroys jobs, and the jobs it creates requiring new skills.


49 posted on 11/14/2011 10:29:42 PM PST by Fred (no job no house no gas no food no problem Obama 2012)
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