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To: fightinJAG

The UNIONS say that their ‘rights’ have been taken away. To the union, the idea that they can’t bargain on work rules, wages, and benefits mean they have NO rights. Herman would have had to been blind to not see all the signs about just this fact.

Also, for Cain to not know that federal employees have no collevtive bargaining ‘rights’ also shows a lack of depth.


104 posted on 11/14/2011 5:48:30 PM PST by milwguy
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To: milwguy
Yes, that was the unions' point of view. So what? Cain was advocating the same view of collective bargaining that Governor Walker espoused and put in his legislation.

Cain doesn't have to acknowledge in any way that unions think that that position, and the legislation, says something it doesn't say. It's not pathetic to ignore one's political opponent's misrepresentations in making your own argument.

Also, for Cain to not know that federal employees have no collevtive bargaining ‘rights’ also shows a lack of depth.

This is not accurate.

Federal employees do have collective bargaining rights, but those rights are limited to exactly what Governor Walker limited CB to in WI:

from HERE:

While labor unions that represent federal workers do have some collective bargaining rights, provisions in the Civil Service Reform Act passed under President Carter in 1978 restrict federal employees from using it for pay or pensions and federal workers cannot be forced into a union or required to pay dues.

Compare that to the excerpt I posted to you in my last post. It's an almost identical situation in WI.

110 posted on 11/14/2011 6:19:05 PM PST by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: milwguy
“Also, for Cain to not know that federal employees have no collevtive bargaining ‘rights’ also shows a lack of depth”

Sir, your statement is incorrect and you are misinformed. Cain has it right; while Federal employees are not allowed to strike; they are entitled to union representation (if they desire) when certain personnel matters are conducted w/management. Further, the employee unions DO negotiate w/management on working conditions, pay, benefits, etc.

I spent 37 years in DA and I can assure that there is a union agreement for any bargaining unit and management is required to provide all employees w/a copy of that contractual agreement.

148 posted on 11/14/2011 10:58:19 PM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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