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FReepathon Day 45 ...
Posted on 11/14/2011 2:59:28 PM PST by Bigtigermike
You won’t believe me until you click play but this is much worse than Perry’s brain lock at the debate last week. Perry lost his train of thought; Cain doesn’t have a train at all here, to the point where he needs confirmation from the interviewer of what Obama’s position on Libya actually was.
Eventually he produces some boilerplate about not supporting the opposition until you’re sure who’s in it and of course not making a decision as president until he has all the information, which is a standard Cain fallback talking point whenever he gets in trouble on a question, but the first two minutes or so are pure agony. The board actually took pity on him, I think, by not following up.
And that still only barely qualifies as the worst answer he gave today. Here’s what he told them when asked, predictably enough, about Scott Walker’s righteous crusade against public employee unions:
"On the issue of collective bargaining, Cain said he supported the right of public employees to bargain collectively." But not collective hijacking. What I mean by that, if they have gotten so much for so many years and it’s going to bankrupt the state, I don’t think that’s good. It appears that in some instances, they really don’t care.”…
Cain also appeared to be unclear on the issue of collective bargaining as it involves federal employees. Asked if he thought federal employees should have the ability to bargain collectively, Cain said: “They already have it, don’t they?”
(Excerpt) Read more at hotair.com ...
James Carville:
“Cain’s Lybia gaffe made Rick Perry look like Henry Kissinger.”
A President will rely on reports from the CIA, which contains facts that no ordinary person would be in the position to know without the very highest security clearance. So it’s BS to think somebody would know exactly what to do, given the information accessible to the public.
It is NOT BS. I saw Herman Cain at the TeaParty counter rally at the Wisconsin State Capital last winter. Cain was up on stage espousing TeaParty talking points while 1000’s of state and teacher union thugs marched around us and chanted anti Walker crap. For Cain to speak at this rally and not know the ENTIRE point was that the union was pissed that their collective bargaining ‘rights’ had been taken away is pathetic.
I can’t figure this guy out. Obviously he has smarts, but sometimes he seems dumb as a rock. This is just another example.
It doesn’t matter because you will take the opposite stance of whatever a Cain supporter says.
sumus homines, non dei
Don’t rain on their parade. They are celebrating their
perceived fall of the conservative frontrunner.
This was posted on G+ which is very liberal and many came to his defense saying he was trying to clarify a very vague question and his response was thoughtful. I was pleasantly surprised.
"...all of those things I think should have been assessed."
"And you don't think they were assessed."
"I don't KNOW that they were or were not they were assessed. I didn't see reports of that assessment."
He made a firm statement and then at the end he freely admitted it was groundless.
It seems like he didn’t even know it was being recorded; at least not video recorded. I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t tell him it was being video recorded.
The truth is that I have a right to free speech with my boss. Some say that only applies to the government. Not so. Since it’s a God-given right, it applies everywhere. What I don’t have is a written pact between myself and my boss that says I’ll not be held accountable for exercising my right to free speech. IOW, if I P him O enough, he’ll fire my A$$.
The same with the right to peaceably assemble and to petition for redress of grievance. While I have a pact called a constitution with my government that permits me to exercise this God-given right, that doesn’t mean the right doesn’t exist elsewhere. Elsewhere, though, I might pay a price for it.
A union, at its best, is simply a group of folks exercising that right to assemble themselves based on a common issue and pursue redress of grievance. (For example, “You don’t pay enough!” so we’ve come to talk to you and we’re united.)
Without collective bargaining law, that employer could tell them to take a permanent hike. With that law, the employer has some things he can do and the union has some things they can do. What they can’t permanently do, however, is defy the law of bankruptcy. Even at the public level, there comes a point when it isn’t possible and/or wise to squeeze one more drop of blood out of the taxpayer.
That is why realistic limits must be set. Autoworkers became unrealistic and they destroyed their dominant American industry. Dumb.
What is a realistic limit for a public employee? At a minimum they should live no better nor no worse than those in the private sector doing the same job at the same skill level.
The fact that kaddhafi is gone does not make the mission a success.
Never happened, his daughter has alrady explained that crapola BS away.
In your dreams - if you want a leap-before-you-look candidate there are plenty out there. The world is full of pundits who make the rounds of the networks and have answers for everything global crisis written on their cuffs and can spit them out in the 90 seconds the networks devote to an “in-depth” analysis. “I ask you, Mor-ton...”
Cain projects a peresonality that is deliberate. I would want him with me when buying a car. The salesman would rush him and he would push back for details on every point until the salesman realized he was hopelessly outmatched and sold the thing below sticker.
Learn to trust patience and deliberation a little. Remember the tortoise and the hare? Or did you just skim the Cliff Notes? “I ask you, Eleanor Clift...”
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I’m wondering how you come down on Newt partnering with Al Sharpton and Arne Duncan to advocate for Obama’s education reforms.
For example.
Newt also started a for-profit organization called the Center for Health Transformation. What is it? Insurers and other health care industry players pay large membership fees and in return they, essentially, get to lobby Gingrich.
See post 68 for his verbatim statement that he doesn’t KNOW what he just spent five minutes pretending he does know.
The facts on the ground (those we know or those that highest level US govt know) are beside the point. It’s just basic logic. Don’t claim to know and then admit you don’t; someone might notice!
I’m a very serious opponent of public employee unions being guided by power hungry thugs. I am in favor of public employees uniting for cause as long as these public employees know they have to satisfy public opinion beyond the two faced administrators.
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