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To: sten

“for some reason, the fault is with JoePa, who never witnessed anything yet reported what he heard”

My sons and future son-in-law were having that discussion the other night. I cannot conceive of walking away from the rape of a child. That’s something a man just can’t do. You have to do*something*right*then, even if it costs you your life. That’s why God invented men: to confront danger and let the women and children get away.

So, McQueary—the guy who saw the rape—notified JoePa. Did JoePa resolve the issue? No. At that point it became McQueary’s inescapable moral duty to follow up and get that pervert’s hooks off of little boys.

So, JoePa notified the athletic director. Did the athletic director resolve the issue? No. At that point it became JoePa’s inescapable moral duty to follow up and get that pervert’s hooks off of little boys.

That “I notified the people above me” merde is just the Nuremburg defense turned inside out. That dog won’t hunt. If the people above you don’t take care of it, you have to take it on again.

Everybody who found out and failed to bring it to a halt is guilty of dereliction of duty as a human being and should be jailed for a long time.

Limbaugh said the other day that there is an element to this that no one in the media can bring up without being fired, including himself. I wonder if that was the homosexual element.


13 posted on 11/13/2011 7:59:06 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc

Well said.


17 posted on 11/13/2011 8:05:19 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: dsc; Lancey Howard
>> an element to this that no one in the media can bring up without being fired ... I wonder if that was the homosexual element.

Discussed in this thread...
If Jerry Sandusky had raped little GIRLS...


23 posted on 11/13/2011 8:10:41 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jet.)
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To: dsc

“Limbaugh said the other day that there is an element to this that no one in the media can bring up without being fired, including himself. I wonder if that was the homosexual element.”

All I know is that this whole situation makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.

What we already know is bad enough...there seems to be a “sense” out there...something unspoken.
It’s so bad, no one will bring it to light.

Whatever “it” is? It’s gotta be a doozy.


25 posted on 11/13/2011 8:14:46 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: dsc

McQueray was the only witness. Joe was told a week later. there is nothing to break up or stop. the event was over. should he have gone into Sandusky’s office with a baseball bat? he’d be fired for that and rightly so, as it was all hearsay

the only one at fault were those that hired Sandusky, Sandusky himself, and those homosexuals that were in his inner circle participating in the ‘pimping’


26 posted on 11/13/2011 8:14:51 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: dsc; Gene Eric; Lancey Howard
Limbaugh said the other day that there is an element to this that no one in the media can bring up without being fired, including himself. I wonder if that was the homosexual element.

Could be. [Lancey Howard's theory mentioned by Gene Eric @ post #23: If the victims were girls, they made have been rescued...]

Could also be that the reality is that most of these victims were black...IOW...Penn State officials (admin) & coaches apparently devalued black boys to such an extent that they deemed them "expendable" in exchange of retaining the mythic glory of Penn State football. Some sacred narratives need protecting, ya know...which is, I think why Penn State fans were verbally abusing a lone protester who id'd with the victims Saturday.

See At Penn State’s stadium, profanity, scorn greet one father’s protest

A father like that should not have had to endure so much Penn State fan profanity, verbal abuse, somebody slapping him on the stomach, people knocking his signs down, etc.

Penn State: Got Class? (No)

Penn State fans: Humility post-scandal? (No)

Penn State fans: All those who clapped in rapid succession as players were try to pray pre-game: Classy? (No)

Penn State student body: Dissing Christianity @ its candlelight vigil Friday as they sang John Lennon's "Imagine." Respect for diversity that includes Christianity? (No)

30 posted on 11/13/2011 8:23:41 PM PST by Colofornian (IÂ’ve been amazed at some of the JoPologists and McScuses that have been surfacing)
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To: dsc

I was on another site, talking about this. And I made a statement about how shocking and sickening the subject of homosexual rape is.

For making a statement about homosexual rape, I was flamed and my comments were rescinded from that site. Numerous people commented that the fact that he abused boys is not important. They said that rape is tragic, whether done to a girl or a boy.

The MSM will probably de-emphasize the fact that this was a homosexual raping boys. Just as they did with the Catholic Church scandal. Most of the chidren abused by priests were boys, but, the media always talked about that scandal as child abuse in general terms, without specifying who was most likely to be targeted.


40 posted on 11/13/2011 8:54:43 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: dsc

It is the homosexual element. The honosexual agenda. We can’t say that though.

I can’t imagine what McQueary saw and how he reacted. I’d like to think I would have reacted differently. I think I would have. I know my husband would have. Rescuing the child and beating the perp to an inch of his life. We’re not supposed to feel that way. I stil think I would.

I’m appalled McQueary didn’t act...didn’t do anything. But I think it’s how we are teaching our kids. And, he saw a coach, his former coach doing this, and he’s been taught not to react like a man, not to think aomwrhing is wrong with this, and hell to protect his job.

It’s all freaky, imo. Then he goes to Paterno the next day and Paterno reports it to his supervisor. Nothing is done.

But what makes a 28 yr old man, huge man at 6’2+ and 240 lbs not intervene when he sees a 10 or 11 yr old kid being raped in the locker room showers?

Even if he couldn’t intervene, all the cops.

I don’t get it.

But the blaming has to stop. It’s not Paterno’s fault. He didn’t witness it. What if he did? What the outcome be different? Who knows.

McQuery told him something of what he saw. McQuery didn’t stop it in progress. According to GJ report/presentment, he looked into the eyes of a 10 yr old being raped and walked away.

But it bothered him enough to tell his parent and to then tell Paterno. He knew it wasn’t right or normal.

I don’t understand it all.


42 posted on 11/13/2011 8:55:56 PM PST by Twink
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To: dsc
Limbaugh said the other day that there is an element to this that no one in the media can bring up without being fired, including himself. I wonder if that was the homosexual element.

You are correct. Their power in the media is immense. Now you know why people like Beck and Hannity and even Rush kow-tow to them. The ones that don't, like Dr. Laura, are destroyed.
45 posted on 11/13/2011 9:01:41 PM PST by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: dsc
If the people above you don’t take care of it, you have to take it on again.

That needs to be chiseled in a big stone somewhere. I've had people tell me, on much less serious matters, "they'd take care of it." When they didn't, I had to try again with harsher tactics.

80 posted on 11/13/2011 10:31:32 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Cain = National Sales Tax; Perry = Amnesty for Illegals; Romney = Obamacare forever. Who's left?)
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To: dsc

I agree with you. The “I notified the people above me” excuse is pretty weak.

McQueary’s delayed reaction is odd, but (other that his duty as a citizen) he was only a graduate assistant, and not somebody in a position of authority on campus. From what I’ve read, Paterno’s authority and power were much greater than that of a typical college football coach. Some people say he was practically the most powerful man on campus. I think he was clearly in charge every aspect of the football program.

When one of Paterno’s employees (McQueary) met him in person and told him he had personally witnessed a sex crime against a child the previous night in one of the football program’s buildings, a competent administrator in Paterno’s situation would have asked specific questions about what happened.

If there was any possibility that a crime against a child had been committed, all Paterno had to do was order his employee (McQueary) to immediately accompany him to the police station to make a first-hand report.

When Paterno, and several more administrators above him, kept the information in-house without a police investigation, I think there is only one reasonable conclusion: Whatever their motives, they all conspired to cover up a serious crime.


123 posted on 11/14/2011 8:51:34 AM PST by 04-Bravo
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