Posted on 11/13/2011 11:28:03 AM PST by Maceman
Here’s a link - on top 10 Billboard right NOW. Seriously.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn1VGytzXus&ob=av2e
You think this is even remotely like what was out in the 70s? There is no way. And by the way, how old are you anyway? I grew up in the 60s and 70s.
Actually, The Jack has a very good message....
“As for the Doors, I’m not sure when they came out with certain songs. I know they were at Woodstock, of course, which pre-dates the 70s.”
Oh, really?
Perhaps, you are confusing the Doors with Sha Na Na.
It was of course Sha Na Na who played Woodstock while the Doors did not.
“Just the fact that nowadays they have to have a clean version for radio play is a clear example of how far it’s gone.”
You do realize that there have been “radio edits” in music for more than 40 years?
“I have no issues with any style or type of music, per se, but there is no doubt that certain styles tend to want to reach a specific target audience and those styles tend to be the offenders.”
Could you please list the “certain styles” and “specific target audience” that you are referring to?
“I grew up in the 60s and 70s.”
And you have no idea about the Doors, Woodstock or Led Zeppelin?
“I’ve seen kids go crazy when someone played this song.”
Go Crazy?
As in crazy, are you talking about those Hell’s Angels that killed a kid at a Rolling Stones concert in 1969 as the Stones played “Under My Thumb?”
Or, crazy as in people who have committed suicide at concerts by the Stones, Zeppelin and Phish?
Or do you mean crazy like those kids who listened to Marilyn Manson and then killed a bunch of classmates and themselves in Colorado?
Or just plain crazy like those who committed suicide after listening to a classic rock song or reading Shakespeare?
You can’t admit when you are wrong, can you? No doubt you are a man. Meanwhile, you are not speaking directly to the questions I have posed.
What are you talking about? I specifically mentioned Woodstock and the Doors. Of course I know Led Zeppelin. All I am saying is that if you list all of the lyrics you keep harping about and lay them out next to the ones of today, hands down the ones now are 100 times worse - and there is far more of it as well. Keep living in your little insular world. Just remember that the kids listening to this rot are the ones who will be writing the television shows, movies, and producing the popular culture of tomorrow. So goes Rome.
So I’m not an expert at Woodstock. I thought the Doors played there. Were you there? Sheesh. If so, that explains a lot about your views.
Well, Jefferson starship’s “miracles” was about oral sex. “imaginary lover” was about masturbation. “tonight’s the night” was about losing your virginity. And kids over a certain age understood all of it.
I said there is nothing new under the sun. The evil is so much more prevalent now and that you choose to dismiss it by bringing out a small sample is pretty lame, indeed. Like I said, go ahead and list your songs and the years. Then let’s do a comparison. It’d probably take you a couple of days but if I had to start with the past 20 years, it’d take me months and months to list all the songs and their lyrics. If you think a radio edit for Hang on Sloopy compares with the stuff now from Eminem, Jay Z, and so on, then you just aren’t paying attention.
I’m done arguing with you.
I’m lucky as well. Mine are into contemporary Christian rock. There are wonderful alternatives to the pop sewer available if you know where to look
How about 80 years ago:
http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/r/robert_johnson/32_20_blues.html
I sent for my baby, man, and she don’t come
All the doctors in Hot Springs sure can’t help her none
And if she gets unruly, thinks she don’t want do
If she gets unruly, and thinks she don’t want do
Take my 32-20, and cut her half in two
She got a thirty-eight special, but I believe it’s most too light
She got a thirty-eight special, but I believe it’s most too light
I got a 32-20, got to make the camps alright
If I send for my baby, man, and she don’t come
If I send for my baby, man, and she don’t come
All the doctors in Hot Springs sure can’t help her none
I’m gonna shoot my pistol, gonna shoot my Gatlin’ gun
I’m gonna shoot my pistol, gonna shoot my Gatlin’ gun
You made me love you, now your man have come
Aw baby, where you stay last night?
Ah baby, where you stay last night?
You got your hair all tangled, and you ain’t talkin’ right
Got a thirty-eight special, boys, it do very well
Got a thirty-eight special, boys, it do very well
I Got a 32-20 now, and it’s a burnin —
Smutty and violent lyrics aren’t a new invention. Check out the old time blues. It’s always been sex heavy music, because the lack of sex and the misappropriation of sex are the things that give people the blues. I’m a Man, Great Balls of Fire, none of this is even slightly new. And neither is the whining and complaining.
Keep living in your fantasy world, too, disco stu. You people would be comical if it were not so pathetic. Nobody said it is NEW. Read the posts. Right. Nothing new. Just more and more perverted. Where before it was innuendo and metaphor, it got a little more graphic. Now it’s beyond graphic. Where before it was one man and one woman, now it’s orgies and rapes...where before it was euphemisms for sex, now it’s the most graphic pornographic words that any Hustler magazine would have had.
you complain about kids going crazy for a song. Read Keith Richards’ auto-biography. They didn’t get to finish a concert for years once they hit it big. The crazy chick riot was a concert tradition in the 60s, 3 or 4 songs (remember these are early and mid 1960s songs, 1:40 to 2:30 in length so we’re talking less than 10 minutes) and the girls would storm the stage and rip off the band’s clothes. He talks about the shock when they actually got 20 minutes into a show, they didn’t know what to do, they hadn’t rehearsed that many songs because they never go to play that long.
It’s all the same complaints over and over. The previous generation always thinks the new generation is listening to the wrong music, reading the wrong books, having the wrong hobbies, they’re all going to turn out to be crazy stupid perverts. Your parents’ generation said it about your generation, and their parents said it about them, and on and on and on. A friend of mine found a treatise from 4000 years ago that basically translated to “kids these days”. And yet for 4000 years, up through and PAST your generation they keep turning out OK.
Sorry but history shows you’re the one living in the fantasy world. People have been whining your whine for literally THOUSANDS of year and been wrong every single time. Look up Robert Johnson, look up Stagger Lee, look up some of the old folk songs. Smut is everywhere, heck read the Song of Solomon. It wasn’t innuendo before it was slang, just like what’s out now is slang, it was just as graphic back then as now. But how we interpret the language has changed.
My music collection has everything from old country to punk, classic rock to classical, tons of jazz to experimental noise.
I know that I survived all that music and that my kids can also handle it as well.
And the country will survive any art or music that will ever be produced.
However, I understand that there are some who cannot handle such music and fear that their children cannot handle the music of the day.
There always will be those that want to burn books and albums and there will always be those who want the Nanny State to control what you can listen to.
The race riot and flash mob incidents you mention have nothing at all to do with the music that the offenders listened to.
Instead, as a rational people we understand that the events you mention took place because the people who took part in flash mobs and “race riots” are bad people.
And the same is true for other violent events that some blamed on artists.
For example, Charles Manson listened to the White Album and then ordered some kids to go to Sharnon Tate’s house, kill her and cut her unborn baby from her womb.
Only an ignorant fool would blame the Manson Killings on the Beatles.
In 1981 sometime after watching the movie Taxi Driver John Hinckley attempted and damn near did assassinate President Reagan. Hinckley stated that his reason for wanting to kill Reagan was due to his watching Jody Foster in Taxi Driver.
Only an ignorant fool would blame Jody Foster and Martin Scorsese for Hinkely’s assassination attempt on Reagan.
A couple kids in Colorado listened to Marilyn Manson and then murdered a dozen kids at their high school.
Only an ignorant fool would blame Marilyn Manson for the Columbine Massacre.
And only an ignorant fool would blame the murder of John Lennon on J. D. Salinger.
And yes, there have been people who listened to rap or hit hop and then committed a violent crime.
And only an ignorant fool would blame those violent crimes on the artists who the offenders of those crimes happened to listen to.
Actually I don’t think this is nanny state or book burning urge. I think it’s just basic crotchety-ness. There’s a natural disconnect between generations because the world they grew up in is different, usually VASTLY different because there’s often a major piece of technology that changes the world, pre- and post internet, pre- and post cable, pre- and post airline deregulation, these are demarcation lines that redefine the world. And it’s especially noticeable in the entertainment because the entertainment we choose is a shell we wrap around ourselves, especially for teenagers whose cliques are often defined by the music they listen too, and entertainment evolves so much.
The funny part about the constant urge to declare ones own generation the last good one is it’s actually declaring ones own generation the one that failed. The logical conclusion of “we were great and kids these days are horrible” is that your parents did a great job and you didn’t. The crotchety ones never see that half of the equation though, they blame the music or whatever forgetting who makes the music. The other funny is how often they show they really are completely disconnected from what they’re blaming. 2 Live Crew? Really?! They didn’t make it out of the 90s, they’ve got nothing to do with today’s 17 year-olds.
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