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To: goat granny; aruanan
Read what I wrote, its the NUMBER of vaccines given to an infant that can overwhelm the immature infants system..I did NOT speak of the “stuff” as you put it, that is in the vaccine. What I said is obiviously not what you read. Try again to read my first sentence..

OK, let's try this. The active ingredient in a vaccine is a antigen (actually proteins and polysaccharides). That is the thing that activates the child's immune system. So that is what you feel "overwhelms" the system.

That said, it is worth looking at the total number of those antigens in the vaccine schedule. You see, vaccines are always being improved. It is now the case that the total number of antigens in the vaccine schedule (around 130) is less than the old Smallpox vaccine alone (200) and much lower than the total in 1980 (over 3000!). So it is clear that we are not overwhelming the immune system with the number of vaccines given.

Hope this helps.

57 posted on 11/09/2011 1:00:00 PM PST by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: TomB

Doesn’t help me, I didn’t ask for your help, your the one that asked the question. Hope you have now answered your own question to me to your satisfaction...


58 posted on 11/09/2011 1:06:46 PM PST by goat granny
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To: TomB; goat granny
Read what I wrote, its the NUMBER of vaccines given to an infant that can overwhelm the immature infants system..I did NOT speak of the “stuff” as you put it, that is in the vaccine. What I said is obiviously [sic] not what you read. Try again to read my first sentence.

That said, it is worth looking at the total number of those antigens in the vaccine schedule. You see, vaccines are always being improved. It is now the case that the total number of antigens in the vaccine schedule (around 130) is less than the old Smallpox vaccine alone (200) and much lower than the total in 1980 (over 3000!). So it is clear that we are not overwhelming the immune system with the number of vaccines given.
--TomB

Exactly. And something else that you, goat granny, are overlooking is that the immune system is made to be challenged and challenged robustly. By the time a child is old enough to be vaccinated, his immune system is already quite mature. You seem to be thinking that a challenge to the immune system comes principally through vaccinations. The load of antigens presented to the immune system by vaccinations is (to the immune system) a barely visible fraction of the total antigen load the immune system has been training itself with since the child's birth. A baby could easily handle tens of thousands of vaccine antigens at a time.

These are things I knew from my immunology class. But I wanted a more exact number so I found the following HERE: The human body can make up to 10,000,000,000 different antibodies--ten billion. It's estimated that by the time a child reaches adulthood at 18, he has between 1,000,000 and 100,000,000 antibodies. To get to 1,000,000 antibodies, the kid would have to make, on average, 152 a day to reach that number by age 18. By comparison, the antigen load experienced by a kid at age 6 through vaccinations comes to about 0.004% of the total antigen types he would come in contact with by that age, a minuscule fraction. To get to 100,000,000, he'd have to generate 15,520 per day. By comparison, the antigen load experienced by a kid at age 6 through vaccinations comes to about 0.00045% of the antigen load experienced by the child up to that age, a ridiculously small percentage.

If you're saying, "Well, this could be just the amount that would push him over the edge" you're employing an argument as specious as that of global warmists claiming that the relatively tiny contribution of CO2 from human activity is the amount that'll "push us over the edge." With an upper limit of possible antibodies of ten billion, and a typical antibody number that ranges a hundred-fold between 1 and 100 million, that's just a completely farcical claim to make.
66 posted on 11/09/2011 5:53:15 PM PST by aruanan
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