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To: mdittmar

It is a big deal here in Nebraska- turns out last summer a year ago per the news on ABC last night- this outfit was threatening land owners they sell or the company would take what they want by eminent domain- however, according to the news, in an illegal manner. The governor has called an emergency session of the state legislature, they convened this past Tuesday- to prevent this pipeline from going over the Ogalala aquifer.

I got flamed before here- being told this will provide jobs etc and to )(*^ with the danger of contaminating the underground water. Water is useless without jobs. My slant is water is more valuable than about any asset we have.

There is no valid reason that pipeline has to go over that acquifer- and there is no way any one will convince me there is any guarantee contamination or spills will never happen. Whether from accident or intent.

That acquifer goes clear down into Texas - it is not a small issue.


17 posted on 11/03/2011 12:48:21 PM PDT by handmade
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To: handmade

So do you then propose that the hundreds of pipelines that already cross the Ogallala be dug up?


21 posted on 11/03/2011 1:06:07 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The patient is too far gone to save.)
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To: handmade

(rolls eyes)

Please - spare me the ‘danger to ground water’ meme.

The depth of the water below the surface of the land ranges from almost 400 feet (122 m) in parts of the north to between 100 to 200 feet (30 to 61 m) throughout much of the south.

IF an oil spill posed a risk, what about all the ‘non-point source’ oil from road runoff, industry and so on - already in place?

That single pipeline could replace 100% of the oil we now buy from Saudi Arabia. And last I heard no Canadians have gone out of their way to kill Americans, unlike the Saudis.

OK, Hugo (Citgo) exports his oil to the US, hew want to bother with it as it is heavy oil. About 1000 bbl a day. XL goes through, Hugo can kiss his money gone....

The initial capacity of Keystone Pipeline is 435,000 barrels per day (69,200 m3/d) which will be increased up to 590,000 barrels per day (94,000 m3/d)

Who would **YOU** like to cross of this list?

Total Imports of Petroleum (Top 15 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)
Country Aug-11 Jul-11 YTD 2011 Aug-10 YTD 2010
CANADA 2,637 2,626 2,650 2,489 2,544
MEXICO 1,185 1,197 1,222 1,282 1,260
SAUDI ARABIA 1,075 1,326 1,151 1,132 1,086
VENEZUELA 906 943 1,001 1,022 1,007
NIGERIA 892 884 912 985 1,038
IRAQ 637 596 481 281 469
RUSSIA 585 562 611 786 621
COLOMBIA 395 415 378 372 359
ANGOLA 331 407 339 484 423
ECUADOR 309 172 192 276 215
ALGERIA 298 354 409 565 509
BRAZIL 228 329 246 251 302
VIRGIN ISLANDS 185 192 189 301 256
KUWAIT 165 228 168 251 210
UNITED KINGDOM 125 175 167 266 290


22 posted on 11/03/2011 1:08:20 PM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: handmade
How many pipelines crisscross this country. You folks have probably dumped more fertilizer into your aquifer over the years with how much effect, but I understand your NIMBY stance.
24 posted on 11/03/2011 1:10:31 PM PDT by Recon Dad ("The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win and cheat if necessary.")
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To: handmade
I hope the farm lobby realizes that if they side with the greenies on this, they'll be fighting them when they attempt to use that water. Their goal is a pristine prairie returned to Ted Turner's buffalo herd. Once you enable the enemies of development, you may not like what follows. For years we've heard complaints the aquifer was being emptied, but then this miracle happened - precipitation.
33 posted on 11/03/2011 4:32:08 PM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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