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Third Party Witnesses - Sounds like bull to me... I need to hear it from the woman.
1 posted on 11/03/2011 10:04:51 AM PDT by bbernard
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“I want to hear what Mary Jo Kopechne has to say about this.”

This story is written in such an odd way. “She woke up in his bed”. What does that mean? She woke up next to Mr Cain? He was in another room or absent from the apartment and may have not even spent the night there himself? If he was in the apt surely they must have said something to each other.


42 posted on 11/03/2011 10:18:45 AM PDT by lovesdogs
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Hotair has a link to the article as well. The MSM will be onto this story by 6pm tonight.


45 posted on 11/03/2011 10:19:41 AM PDT by bbernard
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Is there not one person willing to give their name (not talking about the woman which would require the NRA to drop the confidentiality agreements, but these anonymous "sources")?

I think this part of the article is EXTREMELY relevant: (emphasis mine)

The female source told PJ Media that she witnessed the woman entering a taxi with Herman Cain.

Neither source has direct knowledge of what occurred at Mr. Cain’s residence, but several days after the alleged incident, the male source witnessed the woman returning to her workplace “distraught.” “She was very upset.”

One source told PJ Media: “Some people didn’t believe [the accuser]” at the time she made the allegation. The female source recalls the woman continued working at the NRA for several weeks after the encounter; the male source recalls the woman continued working there for a few months.


I'm not ready to call this total B.S., but it really does sound like a witch-hunt at this point. This isn't journalism, it's a smear campaign (even if it is PJMedia running the article - just because they claim to be conservative really doesn't absolve them of possible wrongdoing in publishing this article which is chock-full of hearsay).


46 posted on 11/03/2011 10:19:53 AM PDT by LibertyRocks
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Most interesting detail of the piece:

The anonymous sources admit that "some people didn't believe her" at the time.

47 posted on 11/03/2011 10:20:01 AM PDT by M. Thatcher
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If there's money to be made from serious accusations against a CEO, I wouldn't be quick to believe the mid-level staffer.
48 posted on 11/03/2011 10:20:03 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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I think everyone needs to look at this in the context of the times. As I recall, the government was in high gear pursuing claims of sexual abuse/discrimination in the 1990’s. Claims were often made without basis, knowing that companies would settle quickly rather than face the wrath of the government. Once innocent comments led to dismissals and I personally saw several co-workers released for comments that merely got giggles decades earlier. As far as I’m concerned anything that didn’t go to trial, is unsubstantiated or not backed by an admission of guilt, should not be discussed. Hearing it from the woman, who obviously complained for financial gain rather than pursuing criminal charges, would do nothing to influence my thoughts on the matter.


50 posted on 11/03/2011 10:20:30 AM PDT by Boomer One
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Alternately: she slept with the boss, felt she didn't get enough value for her services and decided to cash in her sexual harassment chip.
55 posted on 11/03/2011 10:22:08 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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“...he had taken advantage of me.”

What does that mean? Did he talk nasty to her, or did he do a full on, lip biting, Clinton rape? Were police notified? Was her job threatened? Is there any sperm on a dress? How do we know anything really happened? There is nothing here, and that is how this should be treated until there is something, and even then, if then ever comes, I would warn conservatives not to get involved in a circular firing squad.


56 posted on 11/03/2011 10:22:35 AM PDT by pallis
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two sources (UNNAMED) have now confirmed to PJ Media that a female employee (UNNAMED)

Yeah, I’m convinced.


61 posted on 11/03/2011 10:25:29 AM PDT by kevao
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This is digusting..from the media, from the right and the left. Name the damned woman, get it out in the open and then let the chips fall where they may.

They have been sitting on the pot way too long.

There has to be a way to ID this woman. IIRC she was a grad of an Ivy League college and has also worked in various federal positions. She was in her mid 20’s.

It is not much to go on, but it is a start.


****My purpose is not to do to her what has been done to Cain. *****
I want to know who she is, her background and her political affiliations and associations. To whom is she connected?

If anyone has info that might help, please freepmail.
All Info Confidential, of course.


62 posted on 11/03/2011 10:25:47 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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Reasons of discretion? This little gold digger who threw false allegations at Cain gets to tell her story without identification? Since when are they so worried about discretion when they let an unproven attack out on the leading GOP candidate for president? The White House in cahoots with the company who is Perry’s consultant firm? Makes sense to me. This is definitely, as I said in the very beginning, a Clarence Thomas repeat! Never happened!
Period! She is in this one for the money, too
k and I’ll bet it is an irresistable amount! This is why po0litics stinks! End of story!


64 posted on 11/03/2011 10:26:29 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( I like Herman Cain)
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Wow... What a coincidence. Just two weeks later, this same gal got drunk at a party I was at. She asked to stay over at my place. While I was getting some extra bedding to make up the couch for her, she passed out in my bed.

I took the couch.

Damn... I guess this means I can never run of office. (/blatantly made up story)

65 posted on 11/03/2011 10:27:37 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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If the two sources know what happened in that apartment, then they must have been there to witness it. In which case, Cain was never alone with the woman. Otherwise, how do the sources know what took place? Oh wait, the woman must have told them! Which would make them two impeccable witnesses, indeed.


67 posted on 11/03/2011 10:28:26 AM PDT by kevao
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“Afterwards, Mr. Cain allegedly took the woman by taxi to his apartment, where she spent the night and woke up in his bed”

Where was Cain? Had he just offered her a place to sleep and then gone home?
People are saying he said inappropriate things to women...like what?

Why does everything have to be vague or couched?


68 posted on 11/03/2011 10:28:32 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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More anonymous “sources”. No reason for the two “sources” in this article to remain anonymous either.


72 posted on 11/03/2011 10:30:33 AM PDT by free me (heartless)
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One thing is a bit strange to me:

If this happened as claimed, why would Cain be asking that his accuser be released from the confidentiality agreement? Do you really think he would want this to be publicized?

Of course, it might be just a ploy: Cain may think his "ace in the hole" is that his accuser will never go public.

But, I think it's just as likely that this story was manufactured by someone with an axe to grind. These "witnesses" are remaining anonymous, too. Has anyone bothered to confirm they are who they claim?

77 posted on 11/03/2011 10:31:33 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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Where were these people when he last ran for political office?


80 posted on 11/03/2011 10:33:08 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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She “Woke up in his bed?”

Sounds like Herman got laid.

Good for him.

Now, if we can just boot the Malicious Moslem from the Oval Office, Herman can start his new job.


83 posted on 11/03/2011 10:33:40 AM PDT by LyinLibs (All moslems are somewhere on the killing-you spectrum)
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What happened to the ‘my wife is this tall’ story, complete with non-sexual yet ‘threatening’ hand gestures??


84 posted on 11/03/2011 10:33:58 AM PDT by Raebie (WS)
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Who do you believe, a CEO or a mid-level staffer? It was unsettling for her to make charges.

Yeah, I'm sure all the tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars she got were terribly unsettling. Wake up people. The majority of accusations of "sexual harassment" are invented by liberals in order to enrich their trial lawyer friends. Their is indeed true indecency, but liberal politicans commit indecency all the time, usually to the praise of the media. Bill Clinton is a rapist, for goodness sake.

The one factual report I heard was that Cain said to one woman, "Darling, would you doctor my tea for me?" Since southerners call just about everyone darling, and they like lemon and lots of sugar in their tea, I am not sure how this constituted sexual harassment. Yet again another example of the liberal media and the Republican establishment using different standards for conservatives than for liberals.

87 posted on 11/03/2011 10:34:26 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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