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Mark Steyn: Unsettling (Herman Cain's woes say more about us than him)
National Review ^ | 11/01/2011 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 11/01/2011 6:34:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Edited on 11/01/2011 6:35:33 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

"There were also descriptions of physical gestures that were not overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or witnessed them uncomfortable."

What does that mean? Because, if you

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: hermancain; marksteyn; sexualharrassment; steyn; unsettling
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1 posted on 11/01/2011 6:34:37 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Yet for the first time in decades I feel a sudden craving for nicotine, possibly while making non-sexual gestures of an uncomfortable nature.

LOL! I know how he feels. I almost wish I wanted to smoke, just to offend the idiot leftists.

2 posted on 11/01/2011 6:38:18 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm sure your dog likes you.)
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To: SeekAndFind

When a gal needs a five-figure severance payment, “You’re almost as tall as my wife” sounds a lot like “You must be this tall to ride.”


3 posted on 11/01/2011 6:41:25 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (Time to hit the reset button on the American experiment.)
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To: SeekAndFind
And the media keeps implying there were two instances. We don't have facts on that. It could have been a one-time thing, where two women were present at the same time, and they both jumped on the “gimme a check” bandwagon.

I witnessed that exact thing happen last summer. My boss was standing in the office of two women. The door was wide open, and there were other people in the hallway. Both of the women in that office hated my boss, but he didn’t realize the extent of their hatred until later.

One of the women was pregnant, and he made a comment to the effect of, “How’s the baby? Have you picked a name yet? Maybe you could name him Frank. Frank is a good name.” Frank was my boss’s name (fictional name for this story).

The pregnant woman took EXTREME offense to the thought of naming her baby Frank, because she hated him so much. She accused him of being inappropriate, and said his comment implied that she had had sex with him. She found that thought so repugnant that she retained a LAWYER!! And she had a“witness” because of the other woman in the office who also hated my boss.

My boss nearly got run off, even though his comment was intended to be friendly in nature. Both of those women were absolutely useless as employees, and they should have been dismissed long ago because of their horrible work performance. The women knew it, and there were massive layoffs coming, so they used this trumped up charge to keep their jobs for several more weeks (until the project ended). My poor boss had to put up with their superior attitudes during that time because they had a lawyer and they were untouchable.

Women can be extremely vicious, and Men are always on the defensive when it comes to these things. It’s always “guilty until proven innocent” in these cases.

4 posted on 11/01/2011 6:44:35 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (Order 15 Herman Cain Yard Signs for $130: https://store.hermancain.com/orderform.asp?pid=20)
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To: Tax-chick

Get one of those electronic cigarettes that emits water vapor - the anit-smoking nazis have a fetish about smoking that’s so strongly superstitious that *anything* that even vaguely reminds them of ciggies puts them over the edge.


5 posted on 11/01/2011 6:44:48 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: JLS

Ping


6 posted on 11/01/2011 6:46:20 AM PDT by knews_hound (Credo Quia Absurdium--take nothing seriously unless it is absurd. E. Clampus Vitus)
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To: BagCamAddict

bttt


7 posted on 11/01/2011 6:46:51 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obamageddon, Barackalypse Now! Bam is "Debt Man Walking" in 2012 - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: Stosh

>>the anit-smoking nazis have a fetish about smoking that’s so strongly superstitious that *anything* that even vaguely reminds them of ciggies puts them over the edge.

Unless it is ‘medical’ marijuana, then it is a sacred right protected by gaia or some other pagan ‘god’.


8 posted on 11/01/2011 6:50:36 AM PDT by Betis70 (Bruins!)
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To: BagCamAddict

“It could have been a one-time thing,”

There were at least TWO women, in SEPARATE instances. From Cain’s own mouth last night on Gretta.


9 posted on 11/01/2011 6:54:37 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: Stosh

> anit-smoking nazis have a fetish about smoking

Yet dope-smoking is perfectly okay with them.

The hypocrisy of the Left is boundless.


10 posted on 11/01/2011 6:58:16 AM PDT by Westbrook
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey, Politico,

Here’s a gesture that should make you uncomfortable...


11 posted on 11/01/2011 7:02:16 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Tax-chick

It’s fairly chilly today, but I might walk the yard with a cigar in honor of both you and Mark...


12 posted on 11/01/2011 7:03:43 AM PDT by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: faucetman

Ok. Didn’t see Greta. Thanks.


13 posted on 11/01/2011 7:05:03 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (Order 15 Herman Cain Yard Signs for $130: https://store.hermancain.com/orderform.asp?pid=20)
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To: BagCamAddict
Women can be extremely vicious

More so now than I've ever seen in my life.

14 posted on 11/01/2011 7:06:10 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: SeekAndFind
What was the CONTEXT? I can think of a sexual connotation of comparing another woman's height to your wife's height, can't you? Sexual type banter is very common today with the degrading of our moral culture. It has no place in the workplace, especially between superiors and subordinates, but to deny that it occurs, on a regular basis, is naive. This will only INCREASE as the culture continues to decay.

Another side to this is that it will hurt women's chances of breaking that glass ceiling. If a man is going to be under constant threat of harassment charges, maybe it is just easier (and cheaper) not to have women around. It can get to the point where a man can't be alone in a room with a woman. I think we are already there. Why risk it? Not that a woman would EVER use her wiles to try to get advancement. Not that a man could EVER be susceptible to such wiles. HUMAN NATURE!!!!!

I don't know where all this is heading, but somehow I think it isn't good.

Maybe bringing back “the slap in the face” without having to face assault charges, might work. Maybe enforcing an appropriate dress code for the workplace would help.
Maybe some practical education phrases to live by.

When speaking to your spouse, as in the vane of the Suzy Bogguss song lyric... “You wouldn't say that to a stranger”.

When speaking to a coworker of the opposite sex, always imagine your spouse (singles could use their mom or significant other) is standing right next to you. Hanging on your every word and scrutinizing your every glance. Would this affect your behavior? I think it would affect EVERYONE'S behavior. Just a thought.

15 posted on 11/01/2011 7:22:34 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

And Cain polls worse with Women than he does with Men. Men are attracted to his business demeanor, leadership, telling-it-like-it-is style, direct, blunt, decisive, etc. The majority of women don’t walk in the circle of the CEO, the Board Room, etc. So watching Cain be Cain is not what they are used to in a Politician. Women are used to Politicians who walk the middle ground, who never have a harsh word to say, who beat around the bush (more how women communicate), etc.

However, probably every single woman knows how vicious and vindictive women can be, and they probably even know a woman who has done something similar to that. So maybe Women will have sympathy for Cain on this issue. Either way, it will be very interesting to see how this issue affects Cain’s polling among Women.


16 posted on 11/01/2011 7:30:09 AM PDT by BagCamAddict (Order 15 Herman Cain Yard Signs for $130: https://store.hermancain.com/orderform.asp?pid=20)
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To: faucetman

A man usually compares a woman to his wife when he is trying to buy something for his wife.


17 posted on 11/01/2011 7:32:11 AM PDT by greatvikingone
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To: BagCamAddict; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Rudyard Kipling - The Female of the Species:

WHEN the Himalayan peasant meets the he-bear in his pride,
He shouts to scare the monster, who will often turn aside.
But the she-bear thus accosted rends the peasant tooth and nail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

When Nag the basking cobra hears the careless foot of man,
He will sometimes wriggle sideways and avoid it if he can.
But his mate makes no such motion where she camps beside the trail.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

When the early Jesuit fathers preached to Hurons and Choctaws,
They prayed to be delivered from the vengeance of the squaws.
‘Twas the women, not the warriors, turned those stark enthusiasts pale.
For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Man’s timid heart is bursting with the things he must not say,
For the Woman that God gave him isn’t his to give away;
But when hunter meets with husbands, each confirms the other’s tale—
The female of the species is more deadly than the male.

Man, a bear in most relations—worm and savage otherwise,—
Man propounds negotiations, Man accepts the compromise.
Very rarely will he squarely push the logic of a fact
To its ultimate conclusion in unmitigated act.

Fear, or foolishness, impels him, ere he lay the wicked low,
To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe.
Mirth obscene diverts his anger—Doubt and Pity oft perplex
Him in dealing with an issue—to the scandal of The Sex!

But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame
Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same;
And to serve that single issue, lest the generations fail,
The female of the species must be deadlier than the male.

She who faces Death by torture for each life beneath her breast
May not deal in doubt or pity—must not swerve for fact or jest.
These be purely male diversions—not in these her honour dwells—
She the Other Law we live by, is that Law and nothing else.

She can bring no more to living than the powers that make her great
As the Mother of the Infant and the Mistress of the Mate.
And when Babe and Man are lacking and she strides unclaimed to claim
Her right as femme (and baron), her equipment is the same.

She is wedded to convictions—in default of grosser ties;
Her contentions are her children, Heaven help him who denies!—
He will meet no suave discussion, but the instant, white-hot, wild,
Wakened female of the species warring as for spouse and child.

Unprovoked and awful charges—even so the she-bear fights,
Speech that drips, corrodes, and poisons—even so the cobra bites,
Scientific vivisection of one nerve till it is raw
And the victim writhes in anguish—like the Jesuit with the squaw!

So it comes that Man, the coward, when he gathers to confer
With his fellow-braves in council, dare not leave a place for her
Where, at war with Life and Conscience, he uplifts his erring hands
To some God of Abstract Justice—which no woman understands.

And Man knows it! Knows, moreover, that the Woman that God gave him
Must command but may not govern—shall enthral but not enslave him.
And She knows, because She warns him, and Her instincts never fail,
That the Female of Her Species is more deadly than the Male.


18 posted on 11/01/2011 7:37:57 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: SeekAndFind
And here I thought Clinton gave us:

* the 3-second free grope
* dropping pants any time you want
* having sex with someone you hold power over in the workplace as long as it is "consensual"
* abuse of tobacco products in the most carnal way
* categorizing victims are stalkers
* having to assign a division of lawyers to defend against bimbo eruptions

19 posted on 11/01/2011 7:37:57 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: Lady Lucky
How about no, I have a little woman this tall and I do not need you. Hell has no fury like a woman scorned.
20 posted on 11/01/2011 7:39:17 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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