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E-Cat News ^ | Oct. 30, 2011 | admin

[count-your-change]

The writer appearing at the E-Cat News site complains about the lack of comment by the AP, they being invited to witness the recent test of Rossi's e-cat cold fusion steam maker.

It's suggested the lack of news reports on the progress of the device is depriving the world's downtrodden masses of their cheap energy and all that that would bring.

Yes, if only the poor billions had an e-cat to heat their huts.

It appears they will have to wait a bit longer.

[Mr. K]

"These guys just won't hear of it ~ much like the high energy physics guys ~ it's hard enough getting grants and they don't want the competition."

Only an idiot non-scientist would think like that.

Scientists are not ALL evil conspirators bilking the public money gravy train. I've worked with more of them than most people here (100's) and have yet to meet one who was truly evil money scammer.

yes they apply for funding but all the ones I know would be appalled at the thought of lying on research for personal gain, and be horrified at the thought of public humiliation they would suffer if found out.

The ones we hear about (globull warming) ARE bought and paid for government lefties, not taken seriously by anyone except the libtard media.

[fireman15]

Exactly! The demonstration does not need to have bells and whistles or produce electricity, but it does need to produce heat in the absence of some other type of chemical reaction and it needs to be reproducible by other labs.

[count-your-change]

I suppose if Rossi wanted press coverage he could have done the demos in a public setting instead of by invite only.

Anyway, the internet is bigger than AP.

[Raycpa]

If this worked it would not be reported first by the AP or any other media. It would first be announced in an offering memorandum for investors.

[justlurking]

Something in common with ALL the previous scam artists pulling this crap in the past

Agreed. I'd really like this to be true, but I believe that:

An extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof.

Or if you prefer, you can substitute Carl Sagan's version: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

Or Pierre-Simon Laplace: "The weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness".

Or David Hume: ""A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the evidence".

Rossi needs to turn it on, let it run, let it be examined, and sit back and shut up and start counting the money rolling in. NONE of this drama would be necessary if it was real.

Agreed. All of this screwing around just screams: "scam!!". I really hope that it isn't. But, until I see it replicated by an independent evaluator, I'm not holding my breath.

I don't expect him to give up trade secrets. Just hand one of his prototype catalyzers to an independent lab and let them run their own tests to measure the output, free of any "assistance" from Rossi and his cohorts.

[count-your-change]

Rossi had several papers from others on his blog that suggested theories of how cold fusion worked without saying that his device was actually working on any one of those principles.

His process is secret like Colonel Sanders’ eleven different herbs and spices so all is conjecture without knowing just what Rossi is doing.

[fuente]

Delicious, isn't it. Continual inconclusive and nonscientific testing and hyperbole. These are the hallmark of Junk Science. The misnaming of the item E-Cat is your first clue. The only people writing about this world changing discovery are those promoting it. To them, press release and peer review are synonymous. They are not. I will admit that I am more than just a sckeptic of peer review, but with all of the people working in the energy research area, it would not be difficult to have folks independently test the product. Rossi’s inventions have been shown to be fraudulent in the past. Of course, the believers will point out that he has never be convicted of such. Of course they are now mixing judicial functions with science. Global Warmers will likely not face prosecution either, but it is no less a scientific fraud as popularized by the willing and highly unscientific press.

[donmeaker]

The paper you cite refers to metal hydride. That is where I would expect the source of heat is from. Basically an expensive battery.

Hydrides are a favorite tool of scam artists. They have high energy density, look like rocks, and release energy when exposed to water. They get passed off as an energy source, but are no such thing. Rather they are an energy storage medium, and so long as the ‘charging’ process is done off stage, short demonstrations can be very convincing and misleading.

[fireman15]

From the comments section on The American Reporter site,

“You also failed to mention that a huge (appx 500 kW) diesel generator was present and running during the entire test. Why? You further failed to note that the test was completely unnecessary. It is easier and quicker and cheaper to test a single module rather than 50 at once as Rossi did. But it is much easier to hide non-nuclear sources of energy and other trickery such as energy storage devices in such a large (shipping container sized) machine. Rossi has now done more than a dozen tests over something like eight months.”

What is needed is a clean reproducible experiment with as few variables as possible... no bells and whistles... no electrical generation... no unmonitored outside connections.

[muawiyah]

Oh, my goodness. I've stepped on somebody's toes.

Hey, I've worked with scientists who didn't think they ought to pay full postage on nonpresorted mailings ~ where they got caught and had to come up with a big deficiency.

My discovery is simplicity itself ~ scientists come in two flavors ~ "political scientists" (and you know who they are), and "scared scientists" who discover they need to pay unbidden bills.

All of them act the same way and tell the same convenient lies they imagine will get them off the hook.

Well doggone if those lies don't work. The bill collectors always know eh!

The truth is every scientist of whatever stripe likes to get paid. University of Maryland had a program it was managing for the Department of Energy that paid $50 a month to former USSR scientists so they'd stay in Russia and not sell out to the Iranians. As things settled down the cost increased and I don't know where that program is at this time, but when it gets down to income scientists are human. But you already know that or you wouldn't be trying to convince me they adhere to a higher morality. That's just total BS.

[muawiyah]

You were making that same argument 5 years ago ~ so far you haven’t caught anybody doing fraudulent LENR work ~ or you’d be using them as an example.

[count-your-change]

Oh, it's real but real what is the biggie question. Is it a minor but interesting curiosity? A scam? A break through on a level with the ight bulb and the Internet?

So far it's like finding a few gold flakes in the mud, there may be something deeper to be found with lots of work or maybe flakes is all that will ever be found.

[muawiyah]

There are numerous fellows out there using metal hydrides because, in fact, you can build up a charge on them.

Now, some references to the scam artists and their tricks ~ bring them on. Always interested in what they're up to.

[ngat]

“The elite feel that only THEY can live the good life but no one else can !”

Back when people took the concept of personal private moral failing seriously, the concept of schadenfruede and taking a malicious satisfaction in the postion you held above others, was recognized as a “sin”. I think the catholic church even had a latin name for it.

But, hunman nature being what it is, even the most humble and lowly tend to gloat a little and want to retain their position of superiority over their fellows who are even lower in the pecking order.

[count-your-change]

I would think so. The deep pocket investors are the people to court and invite to demos.

[muawiyah]

Note, the "hydride" in question refers to a very small amount usually used to assist in "tuning" a free neutron to the right power level ~ which requires reading a number of other papers to understand properly (so you are stuck with my non-scientist reportage on that item).

If they can drop HUGE amounts of energy into these small needle shaped devices they've certainly got some winning batteries.

I don't recall encountering any reports that had large sheets of hydrides involved.

[Mr. K]

so all sceintists are evil?

[Mr. K]

That is a crazy statement.... show me someone who has NOT been doing fraudulent work- i.e. proven successful

[muawiyah]

I didn't use that word. You did. My comments concern little more than their interest in paying bills, particularly SURPRISE bills.

You know how you'd feel if you got a call from the Post Office, "Hey, Mr. K, you know that mailing? Well, your account was short $150,000, and BTW, you owe us another $250,000 postage for that and two other mailings that failed presort and you didn't come and fix."

You know the response.

Doesn't make you "evil" ~ but it makes you "human"!

The WORST customers I ever encountered were University Deans with Ph.Ds. who didn't want to negotiate about how USPS was going to deliver mail to them ~ rather, their idea was that they should DICTATE all of that to the local postmaster.

IDIOTS. Did they imagine no one in USPS had ever had to deal with Ph.Ds? Good grief, some of my best friends were economists with degrees from more than one university!

I dislike Deans enormously.

Rather do an audit on a mob owned publisher anytime.

[barracuda1412]

fuente, you are totally correct.

So they called it a “success” after only 6 hours testing? Tsk. Tsk. And apparently they have not reached the intended power rating.

Everything demonstrated so far can be duplicated as a shorted conventional Ni/H battery. If they insist on a 6-hour test, the output steam should be at least 375oC, greater than the critical temperature of water. Steam at 106oC makes for very poor generation of electricity.

Besides, little relevant info on the generator is given. Who cares about pictures? Go to a movie studio and the stagehands can build props just as realistic.