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DO CONSERVATIVES WANT TO WIN IN 2012 OR NOT?
To the Point News ^ | Thursday, 27 October 2011 | Dr. Jack Wheeler

Posted on 10/28/2011 1:45:03 AM PDT by hocndoc

DO CONSERVATIVES WANT TO WIN IN 2012 OR NOT?

This is a serious question, by no means rhetorical. Conservatives may be full of sound and fury against Zero, but it signifies nothing without actual evidence, of which there is little.

Tea Partyers can wave the American flag and proclaim their passion for reclaiming America, but you can't beat something with nothing.

If this isn't true, then why is a Total Rino way ahead in the polls? *******************

Perry's tax and economic reform proposal is far, far better (and better thought out) than Cain's 9-9-9, which keeps changing and necessitates a national sales tax. His mechanism for reducing the federal government to Constitutional levels is the best one for doing so - the 10th Amendment. He will revive the economy far, far more than Romney would by getting the government more out of the way, and by drilling, baby, drilling. (Remember that Romney's a Warmist who loves renewable energy scams.)

One of these days, conservatives are going to have to figure out that we're not to going to get better than Perry. And that he really is our best chance to rescue our economy, indeed our country.

To see why - or at least to consider this as a possibility - read the transcript of Perry's interview with John Harwood of CNBC on Tuesday (10/25). http://thepage.time.com/2011/10/25/transcript-of-rick-perrys-interview-with-cnbcs-john-harwood/ (A caveat: this is an unedited computer-generated transcription of Perry's answers with lots of mistakes and glitches, which were left in - one suspects to make Perry not as fluent as you could see on television).

What really turned me on, frankly, was his absolute refusal to be intimidated by envy-mongering. Harwood starts right off the bat with this, saying that his tax plan would be a huge tax cut for the wealthy, that "those at the top, it is hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of dollars for them." Perry immediately responds:

"But I don't care about that. What I care about is them having the dollars to invest in their companies. To go out and maybe start a business because they got the confidence again 'cause they actually get to keep more of what they work for."

OMG. That's the ballgame. The entire argument of the Left is an envy-trip. What America needs more than any other one single thing is a president who says to the Dems, the Enemedia, Academia, their acolytes, the entire dog's breakfast of the Left, "I don't care about your envy!

Harwood can't get over this, so later he asks a gotcha, "Do you fundamentally believe we should not have a progressive tax system in the country?" Perry straight out answers, "I do." Harwood is shocked. "But the idea of taking-- of having-- higher rates-- of various kinds for people who earn more are [sic] not right?" Again, Perry says straight, "I don't agree with that."

I encourage you to read the whole thing. Try this on:

"I don't think this president understands basic economics. Not economics that work. He may understand some theory that someone in Princeton sat and dreamed up, but it's not working.

"This President would be wise if he addressed the economy in the way that we know it works. You give incentives to job creators. Lower the tax burden, lower the regulatory climate, and this President would be stunned I'm sure. But America's economy would take off and take off quickly.

"That's what we need in a president that respects how this country got to the point of being the greatest economy in the world. And it was done simply by giving the incentive to job creators so they knew they could keep more of what they work for."

No teleprompter here, ad lib. You really think Zero could take him in a one-on-one debate? And look how he took care of the "birther" thing:

"I don't have a clue about where the President (was born) and what his birth certificate says. But it's also a great distraction. I'm not distracted by it. If those of you in the media want to talk about it that's fine, but I hope what you'll really get focused on is how are we going to get this country back on track.

"Because if we don't, America's next generation is not going to have as good a future as what we had, and that's what I'm concerned about. I know how to do that. And you do it by giving a flat tax. You get these regulations pulled off of businesses, and you allow entrepreneurs the confidence that they can go risk their capital."

You can't get a better answer than that. Birtherism is a distraction for exactly the reasons Perry says. And for another reason. Getting Zero removed from office on a technicality would be a moral disaster.

A majority of American voters electing Zero was the most suicidally stupid and immoral act ever committed en masse in American history since the Civil War. It was complete moral collapse of the electorate to vote for a man whose preacher wanted God to damn their country.

The only way it can be rectified, to stop America from continuing to slide down the path to national suicide and resurrect their morality, is for a majority of voters to unelect him.

Moreover, to unelect him such that it reverses the direction he has taken our country. So which Republican candidate can best do this? Defeat Zero resoundingly, not even close, and pervasively reverse Zero's course?

Definitely, that candidate is not Romney. I do not think it is Cain, for as fine and accomplished a man as he is, he does not know what he is doing. I think Perry does.

I could be wrong about Cain. He is very smart, maybe smart enough to climb a virtually 90-degree learning curve in the next couple of months.

Conservatives will need to watch him carefully to see if he can do this. They can't be led by emotions, neither by a crush on Cain nor by carping on Perry. They have to choose wisely.

This is the most serious choice collectively conservatives will ever make. The literal fate of our America depends on it. Conservatives have to decide whether they want to win in 2012 or not.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; amnestyperry; cain; conservatives; drjackwheeler; frontrunner; hermancain; illegalsperry; openbordersperry; rickperry; rinoperry
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To: Netizen

I guess you’re for legalizing abortion as is Cain.


61 posted on 10/28/2011 4:46:56 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: lahargis

Cain is pro life. Sane people know that.


62 posted on 10/28/2011 4:48:32 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: lahargis

Why do La Raza Rick disciples feel the overwhelming impulse to lie ?


63 posted on 10/28/2011 4:50:04 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: hocndoc

La Raza Rick, whose record is so indefensible he is looking at withdrawing from the debates?

Keeping him even in the picture is part of someone’s idea of conservatives winning?

I smell a Tokyo Rove.


64 posted on 10/28/2011 4:57:19 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: hocndoc
Will Those Who took an Oath Save Our Republic?
65 posted on 10/28/2011 4:58:42 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: Darkwolf377
Perry is a picture of no importance. How anyone that dumb gets to be governor is beyond me.
66 posted on 10/28/2011 5:17:41 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: org.whodat

$.


67 posted on 10/28/2011 5:19:34 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: org.whodat

I can’t say, but after all the hype, I was thrown after seeing his debate car-wrecks.

I’ve been advised here on FR to look at his longer interviews and such, and will do so. But it’s undeniable that he started with a big splash, and then the more he became visible, the faster he dropped in the polls.


68 posted on 10/28/2011 5:20:23 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Obama: The stupid person`s idea of a smart person.)
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To: Godebert
Just what is your link suppose to be saying.
69 posted on 10/28/2011 5:20:24 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Godebert

You have a point, thanks


70 posted on 10/28/2011 5:23:45 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: iowamark
Continue to repeat the lies in hopes everyone will continue to believe it.

Perry is very much NOT an open-borders person. He has continually asked the federal government to do their job and protect the borders but we know they refuse to do their job.

It is extremely disappointing to see Freepers continue to lie when they know better. I expect more from conservatives. Lying is left for Democrats.

71 posted on 10/28/2011 5:33:53 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Yosemitest; All

Well-stated post (#15) in a very good thread. Thanks, Yosemitest. Thanks to all posters.


72 posted on 10/28/2011 5:36:30 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: hocndoc
I simply don't want another "open borders, welcome amigo here's your college diploma, Al Gore wasn't such a bad guy" compassionate conservative. They simply don't register as conservatives.

The whole lot can go South of the border for all I care.

Give me a real conservative. I'm not doing another "kiss mccain's butt because he can win" thingy. I dropped out of the republican party after that fiasco and I'm not playing that game ever again.

A RINO candidate will be the end of the GOP pure and simple. The GOP RINO Elite should start figuring that out, because they won't have anyone left in the party to complain to when it collapses.

73 posted on 10/28/2011 5:40:24 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: CSI007

You need to learn more about Cain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM9IKOWI-vc&feature=player_embedded


74 posted on 10/28/2011 5:41:41 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma; All
We seem to have forgotten that we are electing a Commander in Chief as well as a chief executive. Given the current world situation. I don't think OJT is an option. Perry is the only candidate with any military background. Gingrich has extensive military history creds.
75 posted on 10/28/2011 5:42:43 AM PDT by cannonball
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To: hocndoc

If business is so good in the State of Texas then why does that State have the fourth highest poverty rate in the nation.


76 posted on 10/28/2011 5:47:58 AM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: hocndoc
One of these days, conservatives are going to have to figure out that we're not to going to get better than Perry. And that he really is our best chance to rescue our economy, indeed our country.

Forget about the black man that is leading in the polls, he's not our kind of guy.

"We are not going to get better than Perry" just another opinion.


77 posted on 10/28/2011 5:50:33 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the Terrorists Savages)
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To: Utmost Certainty

LOL! Agree... If the guy can’t even influence his own party, then how does anyone expect him to influence our nation or a congress?


78 posted on 10/28/2011 5:55:40 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: iowamark

Right, Perry isn’t Conservative. He talks like one when necessary, but he isn’t one really. Now, for his economic plan...a question. If people can decide if they want a 20% flat tax or opt for the same tax system, what would keep those who pay no taxes from deciding to keep the current system where they pay NO taxes?


79 posted on 10/28/2011 5:57:47 AM PDT by chilepup
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To: hocndoc

Perry is too weak. He is now thinking of backing out of debates. That to most people is conceding that he is not the best man for the job. Sorry...

I’m beginning to wonder how Perry even got elected Governor of Texas?


80 posted on 10/28/2011 5:58:56 AM PDT by Sprite518
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