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To: Tublecane
That doesn’t contradict what I said.

Oh, for crying out loud. Clinton himself would be proud of your dissembling. Why can't you admit you made a mistake?

You said that "natural born citizen" meant "citizen at birth". It doesn't, because the former is a subset of the latter. A person can be a "citizen at birth", but still not a "natural born citizen".

It is correct to say that a "natural borne citizen" is a also a citizen at birth, but it is not correct to say that a "citizen at birth" is also a natural born citizen.

62 posted on 10/27/2011 10:46:32 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: justlurking

“Clinton himself would be proud of your dissembling”

Huh? I’m not talkingn about the meaning of “is.” I’m not even using very fine distinctions. I’d say I was being a whole lot simpler and more apparent (if laconic) than the guy who brought up the arcane legal textbook.

“Why can’t you admit you made a mistake?”

For the best of reasons: because I didn’t.

“You said that ‘natural born citizen’ meant ‘citizen at birth’”

Uh-huh.

“It doesn’t, because the former is a subset of the latter.”

If that were true, there would be a category of citizen known as “native born but not natural born.” Since there isn’t, and never has been in the history of humankind, perhaps that’s a clue that something’s off.

“A person can be a ‘citizen at birth’, but still not a ‘natural born citizen’”

Wrong.


65 posted on 10/27/2011 10:56:51 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: justlurking

“You said that ‘natural born citizen’ meant ‘citizen at birth’. It doesn’t, because the former is a subset of the latter.”

Your set theory is almost as bad as your law. Any set is a subset of itself.

If you want to show that the two sets are not equal, just show one case where a U.S. court held some person is both in one of the sets and not in the other. If you think this class of citizens from birth that are not natal-born citizens is non-empty, show one clear member.


134 posted on 10/28/2011 7:39:00 PM PDT by BladeBryan
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