Posted on 10/24/2011 1:36:43 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
First, there were Lincoln and Douglas.
This year, we have Cain and Gingrich.
The two Georgians seeking the Republican nomination for president have accepted an invitation from the Texas Patriots PAC to meet in The Woodlands on Nov. 5 for a free-wheeling and moderator-free debate on the major issues in the 2012 presidential campaign.
The two participants — former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich — have gained ground in the polls following their performance in the first eight debates of the GOP campaign season. But Gingrich in particular has been critical of what he considers “gotcha” questions from reporters and the nasty tone of the most recent debate in Las Vegas.
“This event is a response to remarks by Speaker Gingrich regarding his frustration with the format of the other presidential debates,” said Bill O’Sullivan, a Texas Tea Party Patriots PAC volunteer. “We believe this is the best opportunity for candidates to have substantive discussion since the Lincoln-Douglas Debates.”
Abraham Lincoln and Stephen Douglas held a series of debates in 1858 when they were running for an Illinois Senate race. The debates became famous for the in-depth discuss of issues and the high level of political discourse. Democrat Douglas defeated Republican Lincoln in the 1858 Senate race. But Lincoln defeated Douglas and two other candidates in the 1860 presidential race.
The Cain-Gingrich event, sponsored by the Texas Tea Party Patriots PAC, will be held at 6 p.m. CST on Nov. 5 at The Woodlands Resort and Conference Center. The Patriots are based in The Woodlands.
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RE: Newt lives in Virginia.
Well, that makes a Cain/Gingrich tandem possible. All Newt needs to do is officially transfer his residency to VA.
I believe Cheney did the same when he ran with Bush ( he was living in Texas then ).
Gingrich/Cain or Cain/Gingrich
I would vote for either.
My initial reaction was to question Herman’s sanity.
But after giving it some thought, I changed my mind. Newt is the best debater of the candidates, and he could destroy Cain, but will he? I doubt it. He’s too smart to get overly aggressive. Remember how he likes to steer debate conversations toward Obama?
For all our talk about a Cain/Gingrich or Gingrich/Cain ticket, maybe the fix is already in. Maybe they’re just looking to capitalize on the added publicity against a common enemy. Who knows?
This is a great idea. I totally love Cain, but I expect Newt will bury him(as he would most people) in such a debate.
“All Newt needs to do is officially transfer his residency to VA.”
According to this article at http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/08/where_do_the_gop_candidates_li.html , Newt has been a resident of Virginia for 11 years!
“Newt Gingrich: Gingrich has lived full-time in a McLean, Virginia, home outside of D.C. that he and his wife, Callista, bought in May of 2000 for $995,000. “
Well, if it’s a real debate, I’m all for it. I think this stupid “soundbite” stuff that people have been subjected to through the MSM is idiotic. It doesn’t give you any idea what a candidate’s real plan is and it is based on destroying an opponent by catching him in a stumble.
Let’s hear some real ideas and some real discussion.
Um, I have to say someting about two of your points:
“...a single thought is as bad as the deed itself (or something like that). True Christians have to agree with him.”
No they don’t. A thought is not the same as a deed, but something you consciously think about will lead to deeds. You cannot help every thought that enters your mind, but you can choose to dwell on something else instead.
“Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.”
That law referred ONLY to people who had not committed the SAME sin, not “any” sin. You could sin over and over and still stone someone under the law of Moses, you just couldn’t partake if you had committed that same type of sin. It is widely believed that the writings which Christ started writing on the ground were the names of those who had committed adultery also (or something similar) which is presumably why they all walked away. (If they had not been adulterers, they could have stoned her themselves).
Anyway, I still agree with the gist of your points, I just had to point out the two I did.
You could very well be correct. Plus, I can see Herman possibly picking Gingrich as a running mate, since Cain could probably benefit from Gingrich’s legislative experience.
I think what Cain gains is a deserved reputation for standing his ground. Newt is a MUCH better debater, and I’m certain Newt will win the debate - for the mind. But if Cain holds steady, is courteous and shows he knows his stuff, then he may win the hearts. And most vote their hearts.
My guess is that we’ll see a thoughtful, intelligent debate, with Newt being the better debater, but both men coming out looking good.
I’ll be shocked if either one attacks or slams their opponent - unless you think of Obama as the opponent. Both men are interested in ideas, and I think they both know that they aren’t really in competition with each other.
BFLR
I agree. For one thing, I don’t believe Cain would do something he didn’t feel would be beneficial to his campaign. He has come this far to do something stupid. Second, how many people will actually listen and pay attention to this debate? It is in TX, Cain is up big...it could help Newt, Cain or both.
But more importantly, this is a debate between 2 gentleman. These guys have attacked the other candidates the least and for this, they are being rewarded. Also, if memory serves me correctly, Cain and Newt like each other...to the point that Newt supported Cain in the 999 debate in the last “debate”. I think Newt is planning to be on Cain’s ticket...but we shall see.
One last thing...while everyone acknowledges that Newt is a superior debater, don’t sell Herman short in this type of setting. This is like a board room...he will be comfortable. It won’t hurt him much at all unless he completely bombs.
Disagree that Cain will get buried here. It won’t be that type of MSM debate where they give each candidate a knife and set them up to start slashing each other.
I don’t expect it to be hostile at all and it’ll very likely be a bore-fest if you tune in looking for a knockout punch to be delivered by someone, but very high on professionalism and ideas. Both candidates will elevate themselves above the lame attacks and one-liners that we get from Romney, Perry, Bachmann, and Santorum in these debates.
Hopefully a major network picks it up and a large segment of the electorate tunes in and decides that they prefer this constructive format over the MSM’s 90 minute Royal Rumbles.
Shocked that Cain would agree to this, as Newt is one hell of a debater. Good for him. Can’t imagine the programmed Mittens or mechanical Perry could last long.
Cool! a REAL debate. Both of these guys will rise as a result. ssssmmmmaart!
I disagree. People are so hungry for positive substance and sick of the back-biting. The only threat to Herman would be Newt. Just being there and participating will up Herman's numbers relative to Perry, Romney, Bachmann and Santorum.
In NASCAR terms,what they are doing is called Bump Drafting.
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