Romney's Trouble With Truth Extends Beyond Illegal Lawn Care Employees

Big Government ^ | October 23, 2011 | AWR Hawkins

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Mitt Romney is always quick to lambast other Republicans for being career politicians, as if this is his first rodeo and he is a political newcomer. However, the truth is he’s been in politics for over seventeen years, many of which have been spent appealing to liberals and moderates and fighting to keep from being identified with Ronald Reagan.

Yet the more one goes back and listens to the things Romney’s been saying during his nearly two decades of public service, the more one has to wonder why he thought someone would link him to Reagan in the first place.

....trying to unseat Senator Ted Kennedy in 1994, Romney said:

“I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S.Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it. And I sustain and support that law.”

.......And on guns, Romney would be a disaster. For example, while trying to the secure the Republican nomination that eventually went to John McCain, Romney appeared on ‘Meet the Press’ with Tim Russert and said:

“I don’t line up 100% with the NRA. I supported the assault weapon ban [as governor].”

And he went on to explain that he supported the BradyLaw in its original form.

What I’ve learned by listening to Romney is that you have to be aware of the fact that he thinks well enough on his feet to slip past troublesome topics and seize on others more favorable to his ambitions. This lets him get away with telling a few half-truths (or half-lies, depending on how you like to frame it).

For instance, when....

[mazda77]

Don’t need to. You and every Cain, Bachmann and anything other than Perry supporter knows your tact. Just drop in a bomb, making very sure not to indict yourself, because you are just trying to enlighten us, make a comment or two defending yourself for doing it and then, gone! Just like your cubicle mate Clairity, who has quit responding to me because I laid out a challenge she could not address and I would not let go. Only when I used the “All” addressee to the list of my challenge, gone. Shall we venture down the same path?

Let me make something perfectly clear. Half truths and outright lies have no place in an intellectual discussion. I admire your commitment to your choice but for the sake of our ultimate goal of ousting Obama and his merry band of thieves, the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth will only get us there. We will not defeat him if we are at each other’s throats.

With that said. I called out the tactics of Clairity as one of a divider using Alinski tactics disguised as a Freeper. Drive by’s are one of those tactics. She only posted negative articles about anyone but Perry and you have the same history, granted you provide clever cover by posting a few Good Perry articles, but the tact is essentially the same.

As a Native Texan, I was eager to see if Perry could walk the walk and he failed in the first and especially the second debates. The first was to defend his “declaration” that all parents subject their young daughters to an injection based on his buddy’s say so. Then the final cut came on his heartless statement. Even though my mother was married to my father during the European occupation, once bearing two children she still had to prove herself worthy to become a citizen of this country. My father’s career in the military was hampered because she grew up in Nazi Germany but did not attend one day’s of Hitlers Youth camps and her father spent the entire war in a coal mining labor camp because of it. They lived their lives on the run and hiding for its duration as well.

Then when he comes out and call me heartless because I feel it is necessary for anyone else to abide by the same rules and standards shot himself right in the arsche!

So, I’m all in favor of you supporting your candidate, but that support falls short when your agenda is to just tear anyone else’s down. If there are any skeletons in the closet for any of them, trust me the media will make sure we all know.

You want a case in point? Ok, her is one. I know you have made comments about Cain endorsing Romney in ‘08. So chew on this example a while in reading all of his comments about that endorsement and get back to us as to why that was a negative then.

http://www.gaformitt.com/2008/02/herman-cain-endorses-gov-romney.html

[Diogenesis]

Gov. Perry did well by evoking an assault from Romney,
by simply demonstrating that Romney is duplicitous
and disingenuous.

Gov Perry - 1 Romney the Magic RINO - 0

[Cincinatus' Wife]

I have mentioned NO one on this thread other than Romney and Perry.

I post “a few Good Perry articles”...... You believe this is some sort of cover, for what?

Vetting other candidates (as my “few Good Perry articles” were vetted quite consistently and rabidly) is not allowed?

Posting a thread where a candidate’s comments are posted for vetting is not allowed?

I am hitting Romney and YOU seem to want to hit me because I support Perry.

Good grief!

[Diogenesis]

What drugs are you on?

MITT ROMNEY - THE PROVEN BAD GOVERNOR

"As U.S. real output grew 13 percent between 2002 and 2006, Massachusetts trailed at 9 percent.
* Manufacturing employment fell 7 percent nationwide those years, but sank 14 percent under Romney, placing Massachusetts 48th among the states.
* Between fall 2003 and autumn 2006, U.S. job growth averaged 5.4 percent, nearly three times Massachusetts' anemic 1.9 percent pace.
* While 8 million Americans over age 16 found work between 2002 and 2006, the number of employed Massachusetts residents actually declined by 8,500 during those years.
"Massachusetts was the only state to have failed to post any gain in its pool of employed residents," professors Sum and McLaughlin concluded.
In an April 2003 meeting with the Massachusetts congressional delegation in Washington, Romney failed to endorse President Bush's $726 billion tax-cut proposal."
[Cato Institute annual Fiscal Policy Report Card - America's Governors, 2004.]

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“The Massachusetts Republican Party died last Tuesday.
The cause of death: failed leadership.
The party is survived by a few leftover legislators
and a handful of county officials and grassroots activists
who have been ignored for years.
Services will be public and a mass exodus of taxpayers will follow.
In lieu of flowers, send messages to Republican voters
warning them about a certain presidential candidate named Romney.”
- Boston Herald, 11/12/2006

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"In 2006, while Romney was chairman of the National Republican
Governors Association - a group dedicated to electing more
Republican governors - his own hand-picked Republican successor
as governor lost badly to the Democrat, despite the fact that Republicans
have held the governorship in Massachusetts since 1990. Romney largely
ignored the Massachusetts elections and spent most of the time
during the campaign out of state building his presidential campaign.
He came back and publicly campaigned for the Republican candidate
the day before the general election!
“Locally, this is a rebuke to Mitt Romney and checking out within six months
after being elected and having accomplished almost nothing,”
[Jim] Rappaport [former chairman of the state Republican Party]."
- Boston Globe, 11/8/2006

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"Governor Mitt Romney, who touts his conservative credentials to out-of-state Republicans,
has passed over GOP lawyers for three-quarters of the 36 judicial vacancies he has faced,
instead tapping registered Democrats or independents -- including two gay lawyers who
have supported expanded same-sex rights, a Globe review of the nominations has found.
Of the 36 people Romney named to be judges or clerk magistrates, 23 are either registered Democrats
or unenrolled voters who have made multiple contributions to Democratic politicians
or who voted in Democratic primaries, state and local records show.
In all, he has nominated nine registered Republicans, 13 unenrolled voters,
and 14 registered Democrats."
- Boston Globe 7/25/2005

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Romney Rewards one of the State's Leading Anti-Marriage Attorneys by Making him a Judge
Romney told the U.S. Senate on June 22, 2004, that the "real threat to the States is not the
constitutional amendment process, in which the states participate,
but activist judges who disregard the law and redefine marriage . . ."
Romney sounds tough but yet he had no qualms advancing the legal career of one
of the leading anti-marriage attorneys. He nominated Stephen Abany to a District Court.
Abany has been a key player in the Massachusetts Lesbian and Gay Bar Association which,
in its own words, is "dedicated to ensuring that the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court decision
on marriage equality is upheld, and that any anti-gay amendment or legislation is defeated."
- U.S. Senate testimony by Gov. Mitt Romney, 6/22/2004 P>

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"Romney announces he won't fill judicial vacancies before term ends
Despite his rhetoric about judicial activism, Romney announced that
he won't fill all the remaining vacancies during his term - but instead
leave them for his liberal Democrat successor!
Governor Mitt Romney pledged yesterday not to make a flurry of lame-duck
judicial appointments in the final days of his administration . . . David Yas,
editor of Lawyers Weekly, said Romney is "bucking tradition" by resisting the urge to
fill all remaining judgeships. "It is a tradition for governors to use that power to appoint judges
aggressively in the waning moments of their administration," Yas said.
He added that Romney has been criticized for failing to make judicial appointments.
"The legal community has consistently criticized him for not filling open seats quickly enough
and being a little too painstaking in the process and being dismissive of the input of the
Judicial Nominating Commission," Yas said.
- Boston Globe 11/2/2006

[The Theophilus]

For example, while trying to the secure the Republican nomination that eventually went to John McCain, Romney...

While Romney will be far better than the Destroyer we have in office now, and I would not hesitate to vote for him when the Establishment GOP will nominate him for us, we must always keep in mind that when Romney ran three years ago - he lost to the Progressive tomato can* McCain. IOW, McCain was considered to be a better candidate than Romney to run against Barry Soetoro.

*boxing term for professional fall-down guy

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Exactly.

And that is why the media (Fox included) is helping Mitt hit Perry.

Mitt is a flawed candidate and they need to prop him up. They believe that Obama is so weak Mitt can pull it off.

I don’t agree.

[Diogenesis]

Romney CANNOT WIN.

Deval Patrick is the proof.

IF YOU WANT, REALLY WANT, OBAMA FOR ANOTHER 5 YEARS,
THEN BY ALL MEANS GO FOR MITT-THE POLITICAL CROSSDRESSER.

[Diogenesis]

[not2worry]

The Applause O’Meter is not good enough reason to vote for Perry.

[not2worry]

LOL-you have the Greatest sense of humor in making your Points!

I really enjoy your posts!

[not2worry]

LOL-you have the Greatest sense of humor in making your Points!

I really enjoy your posts!

[not2worry]

In 08 I think Rush was pushing Mitt.

It was the year of “it’s my turn” candidacy.

Since then we have had an uprising known as the Tea Party and Cain was one of it’s first supporters-spreading the word on his Talk Show.

[Diogenesis]

2ndDivisionVet:" Didn’t Jim DeMint endorse Milt?"

MLK?

MORE MYTHS from MYTH ROMNEY

"Mitt Romney Lies About Father ‘Marching With Martin Luther King, Jr.’"
"Mitt Romney has been caught in yet another lie.
Only yesterday Romney’s claim of not supporting Planned Parenthood abortion mills was abruptly smashed by a photograph surfacing of him at one of their fundraisers in 1994.
Today, it’s Romney’s claim that his father “marched with” famed civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr.
During his “I’m a Mormon but it doesn’t matter” speech, Mitt Romney claimed he saw his father,
George Romney, marching with MLK during a 1968 civil rights march through Grosse Pointe, Michigan.
It was a stirring account of the efforts of his father to show that the Romney family have always reached across ecumenical lines.
Only one little problem… it never happened."

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"Mitt Romney went a step further in a 1978 interview with the Boston Herald.
Talking about the Mormon Church and racial discrimination, he said:
"My father and I marched with Martin Luther King Jr. through the streets of Detroit."
"Yesterday (12/20/07), Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom acknowledged that was not true.
"Mitt Romney did not march with Martin Luther King,"
he said in an e-mail statement to the Globe.

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Against Myth Romney is 1:

"On Sunday, June 23, 1963, 125,000 people marched down Detroit's Woodward Avenue
to the Civic Center, in what was described at the time as the largest civil-rights demonstration in the nation's history.
According to the next day's account in the Holland Evening Sentinel,
the crowd at the Center "lustily booed," when representatives of Governor George W. Romney
read a proclamation declaring "Freedom March Day in Michigan." But Martin Luther King Jr. didn't fault Romney for his absence,
which the governor ascribed to his policy against public appearances on the Sabbath.
"At a news conference following the march . .
[King] refused to criticize Romney for not attending the demonstration," the Sentinel reported."

Against Myth Romney is 2:

Susan Englander, assistant editor of the Martin Luther King Jr. Papers Project at Stanford University, who is editing the King papers from that era,
says Myth Romney was untruthful, when she told the Globe yesterday:
"I researched this question, and indeed it is untrue that George Romney marched with [Dr.] King."

Against Myth Romney is 3:

"King never marched in Grosse Pointe, according to the Grosse Pointe Historical Society,
and had not appeared in the town at all at the time the Broder book was published.
“I’m quite certain of that,” says Suzy Berschback, curator of the Grosse Pointe Historical Society"

[Caipirabob]

I left the GOP after mccain was the candidate. I truly believe a romney candidacy will be the end of the GOP as a viable party and a true 3rd party movement will form.

Not that I advocate it, it's just that when the parties leadership doesn't reflect the beliefs of the core constituency, that's what happens. they part ways.

Democrat infiltration of GOP leadership, permissiveness of letting democrats crossover and vote in GOP primaries and a general contempt of the people have brought us to this point.

I will not vote for romney is he's on the ticket in any way, shape or form.

[The Theophilus]

IF YOU WANT, REALLY WANT, OBAMA FOR ANOTHER 5 YEARS, THEN BY ALL MEANS GO FOR MITT-THE POLITICAL CROSSDRESSER.

That is really over-the-top stupid.

Of all the candidates, Romney is the most left-leaning, in that we all agree. You tools are being programmed to hate the man so that you will swarm places like FR with words of discouragement and fear.

The objective reality is that Romney is a Mormon, not a Muslim, Black Liberationist or atheist as Barry has been identified. Most real Mormons don't hate America but are great citizens (exception: Harry gRied is MINO). Barry Soetoro clearly hates America and hates the West and surrounds himself with demons folks who make him look like a flag waving patriot.

Romney, may be a closet Socialist, but I doubt his character is such that he would engage in outright Treason like Operation Fast and Furious, or have an AG who works night and day to help the terrorists, drug Cartels and "his people" escape the law. I doubt that Romney would get a Noble Peace Prize and then initiate wars in Yemen, Libya and now Uganda - all without Congressional approval. I doubt that Romney would set up and grow assassination hit squads to execute American citizens without trial.

I am fully confident that Romney is owned by the banking cartels, and like Nixon who gave us the EPA, OSHA, DEA and the BATF, Carter who infected us with the Department of No-Education, Bush who maimed us with Homeland Security and Barry who mortally wounded the US with Obamacare, and the department of Perpetual Trillion Dollar International Slush Fund, we will get some dim-witted, ill advised growth strangulating department from Romney. It is inevitable.

Nevertheless, his anointing will simply be damage control compared to you tools working tirelessly to make sure GOP turn-out is so dismal that Barry gets reelected by a minority of the vote eligible public.

You folks like to scream from the mountain-tops that Romney is a flip-flopper. Let me put some spin on that. I would rather have a rudderless flip-flopper who can't be trusted to the right thing, but can be purchased or persuaded to do the right thing on occasion, than a monster whose every decision and act is one directed at creating a bigger disaster and mess resulting in misery, poverty and death. That is what we have right now with this Regime.

I can support all of the GOP candidates, and yet I have my personal favorite who is not Perry - but from a political expediency position, Perry is, sadly, the Republic's best hope.

The so-called "Conservatives" around here have done their best to poison the wells for any viable GOP candidate, and the Progressives owe you thanks (which you won't get). When the jackals are done with the hate-fest and politics of personal destruction, please crawl back to your cave and let us adults save the nation for the next generation - clearly this one is lost.

[make no mistake]

(Fox included)

Fox and Friends, esp. Gretchen, has become such cheerleaders for Romney, I can’t stand watching their show anymore.

[mazda77]

So who in the world said I stumping for Mitt-for-brains?

Missed my point, now didn’t you?

[Diogenesis]

What is stupid is someone who supports Mitt Romney.

But then dog abusers are a dime a dozen.

"But the details of the event are more than unseemly - they may, in fact, be illegal. Massachusetts's animal cruelty laws specifically prohibit anyone from carrying an animal "in or upon a vehicle, or otherwise, in an unnecessarily cruel or inhuman manner or in a way and manner which might endanger the animal carried thereon. "An officer for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals responded to a description of the situation saying "it's definitely something I'd want to check out." The officer, Nadia Branca, declined to give a definitive opinion on whether Romney broke the law but did note that it's against state law to have a dog in an open bed of a pick-up truck, and "if the dog was being carried in a way that endangers it, that would be illegal."

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"Dog on Roof? What Was It Like for Romney's Pooch? - Scientists Say Dog Likely Experienced Wind-Whipped, Uncomfortable Trip - "Before beginning the drive, Mitt Romney put Seamus, the family's hulking Irish setter, in a dog carrier and attached it to the station wagon's roof rack. e'd built a windshield for the carrier, to make the ride more comfortable for the dog,".. Jordan Kaplan, the owner of Petaholics, a dog walking service in New York City,
and a lifelong dog owner and dog lover, said Romney's actions were uncalled for"

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"Romney's dog - This is a distinction Mitt Romney probably could do without, but he is surely the first presidential candidate to be attacked for putting a dog with diarrhea in a carrier and tying it to the top of a station wagon. Romney's defense: Seamus liked it. [like the citizens under Romney's RomneyCARE, etc.?] "

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"As the oldest son, Tagg Romney commandeered the way-back of the wagon, keeping his eyes fixed out the rear window, where he glimpsed the first sign of trouble. ''Dad!'' he yelled. ''Gross!'' A brown liquid was dripping down the back window, payback from an Irish setter who'd been riding on the roof in the wind for hours. As the rest of the boys joined in the howls of disgust, Romney coolly pulled off the highway and into a service station. There, he borrowed a hose, washed down Seamus and the car, then hopped back onto the highway."

"Story about dog on car roof comes back to bite Romney - 200 comments from readers complaining of animal cruelty"

Romney's bad behavior Exposed by Seamus

"Romney Loses Nomination Over Dog Abuse? - Romney was traveling that summer with his wife, five sons, and Seamus to his parent's cottage on Lake Huron. But hours into the ride, Seamus apparently suffered diarrhea, which ran down the back window of the car. .David Kravitz wrote on BlueMassGroup, a liberal blog. "It also strikes me as classic Romney: it solves a problem efficiently, in a business-like manner, and with no regard whatsoever for the suffering that the solution may cause."

[mazda77]

I rest my case.

Raise you candidate with positives and in those positives, tell the whole story, not just the portion that fits your agenda. We already know what it is and you would show wisdom to not pile on that agenda with negatives and half truths about all the others. In doing so you only serve the purpose of the real enemies to conservatism to drive for the least common denominator.

Did you not post articles about Cain endorsing Romney in ‘08? Yes. Did you bother to read why? No, you just post an article or blog bemoaning the fact that Cain is a stalking horse for Romney and let the facts fall where they may but not from your fingers.

Is my mind made up and cast in stone as yours? No. I will not cast mine in stone until I am entering the doors of the voting precinct and everyone would be wise to do the same, for this country’s sake.

That is my agenda.

[Cincinatus' Wife]

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:cincinatuswife/index?tab=articles

Knock yourself out counselor.