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Maybe Sarah Palin Was Right About Death Panels
Philadelphia Magazine ^ | October 20, 2011 | Larry Mendte

Posted on 10/20/2011 8:58:06 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: kaila

YES! The “Scooter Store” AND FREE Shoes, too! And, viagra, too....buy your own da*n stuff!


61 posted on 10/20/2011 9:23:48 PM PDT by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))
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To: Chickensoup

They had a living will on file already, they wanted permission to kill me, via a DNR.


62 posted on 10/21/2011 11:30:32 AM PDT by itsahoot (There was a bloodless coup in 08, and no one seemed to notice. God help us.)
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To: itsahoot

They had a living will on file already, they wanted permission to kill me, via a DNR.

Good Grief, that is a special converation between you and your doctor. Not a policy. We have come a long way lately.


63 posted on 10/21/2011 3:47:25 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Notary Sojac

She was particularly vocal about it almost every time she was interviewed.

The way to handle it is stop all liberal/progressive/socialist policies. This is very simple to explain, and it is the absolute solution.

If you didn’t hear this from Palin, it’s because you were mistakenly listening to Tina Fey.


64 posted on 10/21/2011 6:54:22 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Sarah Palin: "I'm not for sale.")
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To: reasonisfaith
stop all liberal/progressive/socialist policies. This is very simple to explain, and it is the absolute solution

This is the kind of comment that makes me want to run away screaming.

It is NOT simple. Start a thread here on FR about how we should simply "stop" Medicare and Social Security, and wait for a third of the Freepers to start whining about "we paid in" and "we were promised".

65 posted on 10/24/2011 9:16:28 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I wish someone would tell me what "ditty wah ditty" means.)
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To: Notary Sojac

Think of it this way. Complex topics (like economics or politics) can be organized by varying levels of specificity. In the big picture, you have the general principles such as individual liberty and limited government. More specific ideas for example include things like the individual mandate of Obamacare.

General concepts are for the most part simple to explain. This is what I meant.

What needs to be pointed out is that the general principles are always the most important, in that they are the starting point and the foundation. Palin’s unique strength is that her consistent advocacy of the general principles of conservatism are backed up by the specifics of her successful record as Mayor, Commissioner and Governor.

As for the claim about Freepers, it seems as though the premise of your argument is that all people ultimately want handouts so we shouldn’t even bother with conservatism.


66 posted on 10/24/2011 6:28:29 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Sarah Palin: "I'm not for sale.")
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To: reasonisfaith
As for the claim about Freepers, it seems as though the premise of your argument is that all people ultimately want handouts so we shouldn’t even bother with conservatism.

There are a lot of Freepers (not a majority, but I would guess at least 20-30 percent) who think that somehow we have to find and refund "their money" that they "paid in" to SS and Medicare.

They don't understand that the money's gone, and only by a massive tax hike on the next two generations will they ever get their "return".

They also don't understand that these programs do not have any guaranteed payback - Congress (Dem or GOP) can cut them by any amount, any time.

It's not like I have despaired of conservatism.

Rather, it's that with so many people on this hard core conservative forum who have self-deluded themselves about what they are "entitled to receive" I do despair of convincing a majority of the public at large, who are even more deluded by far.

67 posted on 10/25/2011 12:38:12 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (I wish someone would tell me what "ditty wah ditty" means.)
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To: Notary Sojac

“only by a massive tax hike on the next two generations”

I have good news for you. Lowering taxes will bring in more revenue due to increased productivity. There are ways to lower taxes that would in all likelihood more than compensate for current deficits. And fix the job problem.

Conservatism works every time it’s tried.


68 posted on 10/25/2011 7:25:28 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Sarah Palin: "I'm not for sale.")
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To: Notary Sojac

“only by a massive tax hike on the next two generations”

I have good news for you. Lowering taxes will bring in more revenue due to increased productivity. There are ways to lower taxes that would in all likelihood more than compensate for current deficits. And fix the job problem.

Conservatism works every time it’s tried.


69 posted on 10/25/2011 7:25:42 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Sarah Palin: "I'm not for sale.")
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To: reasonisfaith
Sorry, "growth means we don't have to cut the entitlements" doesn't fly. The demographics of a system where one worker is supporting two takers are inexorable.

You need to run the numbers...we would need economic growth in excess of eight percent per year, without a break for 30+ years, to cure the SS/Medicare deficits.

Ain't gonna happen, and I'm sick and tired of using "growth" as a way of pandering to the "don't cut MY benefits" crowd.

My personal idea for solving the Medicare and Soc Sec problems is something like a "Medicare lien". When the amount you've taken out of the system exceeds what you've paid in (with a reasonable allowance for compounded interest) the government gets a claim on your estate for any additional money paid to you or spent on your medical care.

70 posted on 10/26/2011 6:06:26 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I wish someone would tell me what "ditty wah ditty" means.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This was not a death panel. Helen could still get treatment, it was just going to cost more.

The Death Panels will be a la Canada where they would not only not treat the child they would not let anyone else treat him either.

I think similar things have happened in the UK. That is a death panel. They have decided you should die not that they will not treat you.

Not paying for your treatment is a valid option for the government or insurance company although it may be breach of contract. In the case of Medicare since the government forces you to be on it there might be a case to be made.

71 posted on 10/26/2011 6:22:01 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Of course Sarah Palin was right.

Except the death panel is called the Independent Payment Advisory Board.

Supposedly an "Independent" "board" comprised of politcally appointed members who "advise" which doctors get which "payment" for which services.

BEFORE the services are rendered.

It's too bad none of the current crop of candidates is talking about this. Michele Bachmann alluded to it during the last debate but she didn't go into detail.

The IPAB is The Death Panel Sarah Palin is talking about.

72 posted on 10/26/2011 6:30:35 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Helen Walker's kids were bitching because they were being asked to pay for her nursing home stay.

What they wanted was for the Government to pay for it so they wouldn't have to.

A lot of the people who rail about "death panels" don't seem to grasp this distinction.

It's a "death panel" only when you are told you can't have a particular treatment even if you pay for it yourself.

Failing to fund costly services on the taxpayer's dime is just good conservative budgeting.

73 posted on 10/26/2011 7:27:26 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I wish someone would tell me what "ditty wah ditty" means.)
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To: Notary Sojac

I question your numbers for one particular reason: when taxes are cut significantly, the resulting economic growth will be exponential, not linear.

This distinction is critical to understanding the potential to solve our economic crisis.

But the greatest obstacle to overcome is the resistance from the permanent political class, who oppose tax cuts because (despite the fact that tax cuts bring more money to government) they represent a transfer of power from the government back to individuals.


74 posted on 10/27/2011 9:12:56 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Sarah Palin: "I'm not for sale.")
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