Anne Frank, a Mormon?

New York Times ^ | Oct. 18, 2011 | Maureen Dowd

[Colofornian]

At an appearance at George Washington University...Bill Maher bounded into territory that the news media have been gingerly tiptoeing around.

Magic underwear. Baptizing dead people. Celestial marriages. Private planets. Racism. Polygamy.

“By any standard, Mormonism is more ridiculous than any other religion”...“It’s...founded on the idea of polygamy. They call it The Principle. That sounds like The Prime Directive in ‘Star Trek.’ ”

He said he expects the Romney crowd...to once more “gloss over the differences between Christians and Mormons.”

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Another famous nonbeliever, Christopher Hitchens, wrote in Slate...about “the weird and sinister belief system of the LDS”...

Aside from Joseph Smith, whom Hitchens calls “a fraud and conjurer well known to the authorities in upstate New York,” the writer also wonders about the Mormon practice of amassing archives of the dead...to “retrospectively ‘baptize’ everybody as a convert.”

Hitchens noted that they “got hold of a list of those put to death by the Nazis’ Final Solution” and “began making these massacred Jews into honorary LDS members as well.” He called it “a crass attempt at mass identity theft from the deceased.”

The Mormons even baptized Anne Frank.

It took Ernest Michel, then chairman of the American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors, three years to get Mormons to agree to stop proxy-baptizing Holocaust victims.

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Kent Jackson, the associate dean of religion at Brigham Young University, says that while Mormons are Christians, “Mormonism is not part of the Christian family tree.”

It probably won’t comfort skeptical evangelicals and Catholics to know that Mormons think that while other Christians merely “have a portion of the truth, what God revealed to Joseph Smith is the fullness of the truth,” as Jackson says...

[Politics4US]

What do you like about freedom and the Constitution, when you are on a public forum advocating that we dismiss a candidate, because of his religion? Religion is something that the Constitution gives us a right to practice in this country, and is protected. You wouldn’t mind a violation of it, since you are advocating that he not be president, because of his religion. You have a right to disagree with anyone’s religion, but you are advocating that he not be president, because of his religion. Everything you say against Romney is in comparison to Christianity, and we don’t have a state run Christian nation.

[Politics4US]

“You are on a public forum, trying to convince people to not vote for Romney based on his religion. What you are saying goes against the Constitution”

No it doesn’t! I have the freedom of speech! I haven’t prevented anyone from doing whatever they won’t to do. You apparently want to stop my free speech, which is un-American.”

And what you are advocating through your free speech is unconstitutional. I can say I want slavery, which is supported by the First Amendment, but slavery is unconstitutional.

[Turtlepower]

“And what you are advocating through your free speech is unconstitutional. I can say I want slavery, which is supported by the First Amendment, but slavery is unconstitutional.”

MORON!!!!

I never said I wanted a state-run religion. That would be unconstitutional. I don’t want that!

I want individuals to use their brains and make wise choices when voting.

[Politics4US]

You are advocating a state run religion, which is unconstitutional.

Are your replies always this stupid, or are you making a special effort today?

You must have slept through that portion of your civics class. Tell me where I expressly wanted the gov’t to LEGISLATE the creation of a state run religion. . . . . .(crickets).”

Remember moron when complained that as governor, Romney didn’t disavow his religion before being sworn in? You are saying that by remaining a Mormon he was governing as a Mormon, which is something that only a state run Christian advocate would say.

“The moslem answer would be “How can you call yourself a believer and “detach” yourself from Shariah (Allah’s Law)? Do you prefer the rule of men to the rule of the Divine? Do you not know the verse where your Lord has told that anyone who rules by other than His Law is a disbeliever?” (from a moslem) Further you must be ignorant about Dearborn MI eh? “

Not all Muslims believe in Sharia Law in America, and that discussion would be between Muslims. It’s not up to the public to decide if someone is a believer in Islam.

“Excuse me - but that is not what the Supreme Courts say - whether we believe it or not - it bears the force of law in the land. “

The president has no power to override Supreme Court decisions.

“It seems our little friend here can only rely upon calling people bigots to stigmatize people that pose irrefutably good arguments as to why the constitution preserves our right to evalate candidates for office by any standard we deem correct. Perhaps he’ll pull out that same constitution and really read it some day and leave the thought police to other leftists at DU.”

You are saying Romney can be a practicing Mormon, but you are still a bigot to say what you’re saying about his religion and how you don’t want him to be president, because of it. You don’t like the Constitution, since the Constitution allows anyone of any religion to be president.

[Sudetenland]

If you seriously believe that reelecting Obama would be better than last choice Mitt, then you are irrational.

[Politics4US]

I want individuals to use their brains and make wise choices when voting.”

Stupid, you are changing what you’re saying. You said you didn’t want a Mormon to be president, and you’re advocating people not vote for him for that reason. You are criticizing his beliefs on how they differ from your Christian beliefs, and are in favor of only seeing those Christian beliefs being practiced by our leaders. Sounds like a state run Christian advocate.

[Turtlepower]

“Sounds like a state run Christian advocate.”

Not even close - You are the stupid one, and I have not changed my position!

I want INDIVIDUALS to choose to be Christians. I don’t want the government to mandate that people be a certain religion or promote a religion.

I have every right to expect our nation’s leaders to believe in certain values. That doesn’t mean I want those leaders to LEGISLATE or require every citizen believe as they do!

[Godzilla]

Remember moron when complained that as governor, Romney didn’t disavow his religion before being sworn in? You are saying that by remaining a Mormon he was governing as a Mormon, which is something that only a state run Christian advocate would say.

Are you a moron, or are you possessed by a retarded ghost? As challenged show me where did I explicited state that, not your sorry derailed logic. Facts are he was a mormon and as such his decisions were influenced by his beliefs. Only a stark raving loon would infer that I am advocating a legislated religion - open you constitution and read it before emptying your mind.

Not all Muslims believe in Sharia Law in America, and that discussion would be between Muslims. It’s not up to the public to decide if someone is a believer in Islam.

If a person claims a religious belief - that is not a public decision politics - pretty simple to figure out - I would have expected that even you could have. In case you haven't figured it out - you are digging a very deep hole for yourself.

The president has no power to override Supreme Court decisions.

Nor the constitution either - yet we see with this one the backdoor moves to challenge our 2d amendment rights and if empowered by a like thinking congress can legislate to overturn the SC - checks and balances thing you didn't learn in school - you must have had a public education.

You are saying Romney can be a practicing Mormon, but you are still a bigot to say what you’re saying about his religion and how you don’t want him to be president, because of it.

And you are a bigger bigot to say I can't use his religious beliefs as part of my evaluation of his qualifications to be president. His religion is a component of why I don't want him as president. Small minded people like yourself fail to grasp that simple concept.

You don’t like the Constitution, since the Constitution allows anyone of any religion to be president.

You have an open mind, and a mouth to match. And that same constitution ALLOWS ANYONE (PROTECTS THE RIGHT) to judge the capabilities of that person for office based upon ANY criteria they desire.

You should really read the constitution to understand where you are wrong some time. Unfortunately you'll have to read it - it doesn't come in a picture version.

[Fred Nerks]

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”
by Paul T. Trask © May 20, 2002 [http://www.help4rlds.com/mohammed.htm]

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim,

“I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following...

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/smith_and_muhammed.html

In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith’s claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.

(see footnotes)

[http://www.help4rlds.com/mohammed.htm]

[af_vet_rr]

You have a right to disagree with anyone’s religion, but you are advocating that he not be president, because of his religion.

Would you support a Scientologist for President? Or a Muslim?

[MHGinTN]

This poster smells like a trolling DU visitor, trying to generate posts which it can copy and paste into DU or other leftist site for amusement. We’ve had stunt Mormons playing word games on LDS threads before, then posting our comments at LDS inc supporting sites. Consider this one as a Halloween/costume poster, wearing a mask playing agitprop games. No one could be as stupid as this poster comes across and yet know how to use the posting and html functions. The alinskyesque tactics are too obvious for its own good. But I suppose theseprogressive wannabes have to practice Alinsky 101 somewhere.

[MHGinTN]

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[Elsie]

...because you’re trying to prevent a person from being president, because of his religion.

Oh honey; that is just a SMALL part of it!

Plenty of Conservatives have hashed and re-hashed his lousy record; trying to find things that were supposedly conservative - there is no need for me to do that.

BUT; I can shed light on just another wee item of interest: his RELIGION.

Would YOU deny me that RIGHT to do that?

[Elsie]

It’s un-American to not want someone who isn’t Christian to be president.

Well slap me silly; as I must be from MARS!

[Elsie]

...I wrote, “Mitt Romney has already been governor of Mass. without governing as a Mormon.

You write that with a straight face and with NO data to back it up.

[Elsie]

...because Religion is protected by the Constitution.

I, Moron; seem to have MISSED that part in class.

[Elsie]

If I said to someone, “you shouldn’t allow blacks into your store,”

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"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.

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Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'

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August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)

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1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."

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We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.

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Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).

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When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."

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When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)

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Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 

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[Elsie]

#1 Romney is beholden to whatever his "prophet" might change his mind on.

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In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.

1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)

[Elsie]

I’m just challenging your bigotry.

You left out 'alledged'.

You have failed to SHOW any yet.

You make the claim quite well though...

[Elsie]

.It’s un-American, and is already against the law to prevent someone from being president for that reason..

Your apples are mixed in with your oranges.

It is NOT against (some law) to TRY to prevent someone from being president WITH YOUR VOTE.